From powerst@dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov Fri Oct 24 10:09:54 2003 Received: from nihhubims3.hub.nih.gov ([128.231.90.113]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACmiQ-0004mu-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:09:54 +1300 Received: by nihhubims3.hub.nih.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:09:46 -0400 Message-ID: <75DDD376F2B6B546B722398AC161106CCAC14B@nihexchange2.nih.gov> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI)" To: 'Braillenote List' Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:09:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:09:54 -0000 Some of you may know, but NFB has a low interest $3,000 loan available. Also a lot of the Federal Government is under the CAP program. While NIH was waiting to be accepted under the CAP program, I was trying to figure out how I could round up $4,000 to use with the NFB loan. We didn't know for sure if we were going to get accepted. I talked to CAP at the 508 Expo att NIH. Hopefully I will get my equipment in November. They are supposed to get their funding by the end of October. Hopefully by Thanksgiving, I will be a real BN user. Terry Powers -----Original Message----- From: Andy Baracco [mailto:wq6r@concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:54 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Hi Terri, I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to be durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their teeth into. Andy ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From paul@henrichsen.org Fri Oct 24 10:35:03 2003 Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.168.180]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACn6k-0006ZL-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:35:03 +1300 Received: from adsl-63-196-117-67.dsl.frsn01.pacbell.net (HELO paul.henrichsen.org) (paulh52@pacbell.net@63.196.117.67 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 21:35:00 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20031023143315.02e2c088@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com> X-Sender: paulh52@pacbell.net@pop.pacbell.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:33:41 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: Paul Henrichsen Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes In-Reply-To: <75DDD376F2B6B546B722398AC161106CCAC14B@nihexchange2.nih.go v> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:35:03 -0000 Hi, Terry. Wouldn't you have to be a member of NFB to take advantage of that money? At 10/23/2003, you wrote: >Some of you may know, but NFB has a low interest $3,000 loan available. >Also a lot of the Federal Government is under the CAP program. While NIH >was waiting to be accepted under the CAP program, I was trying to figure out >how I could round up $4,000 to use with the NFB loan. We didn't know for >sure if we were going to get accepted. I talked to CAP at the 508 Expo att >NIH. Hopefully I will get my equipment in November. They are >supposed to get their funding by the end of October. >Hopefully by Thanksgiving, I will be a real BN user. > >Terry Powers > >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Baracco [mailto:wq6r@concentric.net] >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:54 PM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > >Hi Terri, > >I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to be >durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, >Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a >co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. >Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their >teeth into. > >Andy > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote Paul Henrichsen From RVanDerWalt@justice.gov.za Fri Oct 24 10:36:54 2003 Received: from nosgp1.x-link.za.net ([163.195.192.12] helo=nosgp1.openet.gov.za) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACn8X-0006fn-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:36:54 +1300 Received: from [10.131.33.250] (helo=ptaexchange.justice.gov.za) by nosgp1.openet.gov.za with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ACfrx-000PZF-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:51:17 +0200 Received: by ptaexchange.old.justice.gov.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4RVKX55A>; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:41:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: Riana Van Der Walt To: "'braillenote@list.pulsedata.com'" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:47:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:36:54 -0000 Hi Lisa, The star sign in braille is dots 3 5 pressed twice, thus two lower i signs. However, in computer braille you should use dots 1 6, and also in keyword documents which you want to print, otherwise your star might be translated as 99. Also, if you are typing in grade two braille rather press dot 4 to get in computer braille and then use dots 1 6, the sh sign, to make sure that it prints correctly. Regards Riana "Privileged / Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to e-mail messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to official business of the Department of Justice and Constitutional Development shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. 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From aeveret1@ec.rr.com Fri Oct 24 10:38:53 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02-lbl.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.101] helo=ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACnAS-0006ld-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:38:52 +1300 Received: from d2t3c6 (cpe-024-211-220-214.ec.rr.com [24.211.220.214]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9NLclR8027201 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003b01c399ae$b3b74ec0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> From: "Anita" To: "Braillenote List" References: <75DDD376F2B6B546B722398AC161106CCAC14B@nihexchange2.nih.gov> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:43:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:38:53 -0000 do you have to pay that money back? What are the phone numbers for those organizations you mentioned? Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI)" To: "'Braillenote List'" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Some of you may know, but NFB has a low interest $3,000 loan available. > Also a lot of the Federal Government is under the CAP program. While NIH > was waiting to be accepted under the CAP program, I was trying to figure out > how I could round up $4,000 to use with the NFB loan. We didn't know for > sure if we were going to get accepted. I talked to CAP at the 508 Expo att > NIH. Hopefully I will get my equipment in November. They are > supposed to get their funding by the end of October. > Hopefully by Thanksgiving, I will be a real BN user. > > Terry Powers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Baracco [mailto:wq6r@concentric.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:54 PM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > Hi Terri, > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to be > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, > Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a > co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. > Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their > teeth into. > > Andy > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From nu7i@azboss.net Fri Oct 24 11:53:42 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACoKr-0002YR-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:53:42 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9NMl1e08041 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:47:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c399b8$7a920d10$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <75DDD376F2B6B546B722398AC161106CCAC14B@nihexchange2.nih.gov> <003b01c399ae$b3b74ec0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:53:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:53:43 -0000 Hi Anita, The NFB program is a loan, not a grant, so, yes, you do have to pay that back... :-) Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > do you have to pay that money back? What are the phone numbers for those > organizations you mentioned? > Anita > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI)" > To: "'Braillenote List'" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:09 PM > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > Some of you may know, but NFB has a low interest $3,000 loan available. > > Also a lot of the Federal Government is under the CAP program. While NIH > > was waiting to be accepted under the CAP program, I was trying to figure > out > > how I could round up $4,000 to use with the NFB loan. We didn't know for > > sure if we were going to get accepted. I talked to CAP at the 508 Expo > att > > NIH. Hopefully I will get my equipment in November. They are > > supposed to get their funding by the end of October. > > Hopefully by Thanksgiving, I will be a real BN user. > > > > Terry Powers > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andy Baracco [mailto:wq6r@concentric.net] > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:54 PM > > To: Braillenote List > > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > > > Hi Terri, > > > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to be > > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, > > Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a > > co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. > > Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their > > teeth into. > > > > Andy > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From deanj@pulsedata.com Fri Oct 24 12:13:58 2003 Received: from 203-79-71-98.adsl.paradise.net.nz ([203.79.71.98] helo=hal.pulsedata.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACoeT-0003cp-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:13:57 +1300 Received: from deanj ([192.168.0.50]) by hal.pulsedata.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.0.1) with SMTP id 2003102412135636-538 ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:13:56 +1300 Message-ID: <000c01c399bb$5559abe0$3200a8c0@chch.pulsedata.com> From: "Dean Jackson" To: "Braillenote List" References: <20031023181209.A2180CCA22@smtp.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] digest Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:13:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 24/10/2003 12:13:56, Serialize by Router on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 24/10/2003 12:13:57, Serialize complete at 24/10/2003 12:13:57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:13:58 -0000 Hi Laura, I'm not quite sure how you managed to extract that from my message so I guess I'm not saying that (smile). To get a list of email commands, just send an email to the following email address: braillenote-request@list.pulsedata.com Put the word "help" without the quotes, in the subject or body of the message. If you have any further queries, please don't hesitate to contact me. Regards, Dean Jackson Customer/Technical Analyst Pulse Data International Ltd. DDI: +64 3 373 6184 Fax: +64-3-384 4933 Email: deanj@pulsedata.com Internet: www.pulsedata.com __________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Wolk" <"wolkl@postmark.net"@smtp.enter.net> To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] digest > Hi Dean, > So are you saying that with this list there are no mail controls to change your mail type? Thanks, Laura > > > "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) > > > > >------ original message ------ > >from: "Dean Jackson" >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] digest > > > >Hi Josh, > > >Instructions for changing your preferences (normal/digest being one of > >them), can be found at the bottom of each email that goes out to the > >multitude from this list. > > >Dean. > >The takeaway king (smile) > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From nu7i@azboss.net Fri Oct 24 12:16:29 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACogu-0003iw-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:16:28 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9NN9ne14036 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:09:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c399bb$aa3dd960$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs> <02c501c3999d$21be2310$9e7c94d1@teri> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:16:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:16:29 -0000 Hi Terri, I don't need or want my BrailleNote to take on the functionality of a laptop computer, but I do think it is about time that it have similar functionality to the PDAs sighted people use. It simply doesn't make any sense to me why the sighted can have a product that does more than my BN for about ten times less cost. Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Pannett" To: ; "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? > Dear Rose, > > No, you're not strange. Notetakers are notetakers and should never be a > substitute for a PC or laptop. > > If I remember right, the man who started this thread wanted to know the > advantages of upgrading his BN versus the advantages of doing something > else. Since then, people have changed the thread into the debate about the > BN's abilities versus a sighted PDA. > > In the original thread, the man stated he needed more communications access > than the BN could do. > > I received the idea he needed it now, not in some future time. So I > suggested that he consider getting a LapTalk and keep his BN to use as a > braille display and notetaker. > > I still use my PC for email and surfing the web. Perhaps Keysoft 5 is > different, but I haven't been impressed with Keymail and I believed from > reading posts on the list that Keysoft 4.x, Keymail and Keyweb left > something to be desired. That's why I didn't upgrade. > > In the original thread, the man stated he didn't need GPS. Neither do I, > because I don't travel very much. So I can save the $600 or so bucks to buy > something else. > > Let's face it: notetakers will never replace PCs and the BN should not be > compared to sighted PDAs. We have some needs the sighted don't have. But > we need to be able to communicate with the sighted. The most practical way > is to make the best of both worlds: use the BN as a notetaker, braille > display, braille book reader and the other things it can do. Use the PC for > LAN or other needs the BN can't handle. > > Let's get back to the original question. The man thought he may have made a > mistake when he bought a BN. I said he didn't make a mistake, that the BN > is a very useful tool IN CONJUCTION WITHa PC. > > What's so bad about that? The BN can do more things than a regular braille > display, even the Braille Star and others by Handy Tech, which have the > "scratchpads." > > Come on, folks! Don't ask for so many unrealistic things of the BN. The > more you request, the more expensive it will become. > > Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, > California > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From nu7i@azboss.net Fri Oct 24 12:17:49 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACoiC-0003mu-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:17:49 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9NNBAe14438 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: <000f01c399bb$da582650$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007901c397bb$d35b4b40$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><003301c397d9$dad47540$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11><002001c397df$50b61fc0$800101df@Palooza.Local><002d01c397fb$18966200$ae53fea9@default><01d801c397ff$a80af190$724b8751@oemb97d30ddbzd><015001c39991$d1900490$9e7c94d1@teri> <003101c39997$0c520880$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:17:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:17:49 -0000 Hi Andy, Is there any precedence for classifying equipment like this as medical? Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Baracco" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Hi Terri, > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to be > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, > Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a > co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. > Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their > teeth into. > > Andy > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From deanj@pulsedata.com Fri Oct 24 12:19:33 2003 Received: from 203-79-71-98.adsl.paradise.net.nz ([203.79.71.98] helo=hal.pulsedata.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACojt-0003rt-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:19:33 +1300 Received: from deanj ([192.168.0.50]) by hal.pulsedata.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.0.1) with SMTP id 2003102412193188-545 ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:19:31 +1300 Message-ID: <000601c399bc$1d5a1490$3200a8c0@chch.pulsedata.com> From: "Dean Jackson" To: "Braillenote List" References: <20031023124356.13B46CC6C3@smtp.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] more on commands Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:19:32 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 24/10/2003 12:19:31, Serialize by Router on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 24/10/2003 12:19:32, Serialize complete at 24/10/2003 12:19:32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:19:33 -0000 Hi Laura, Thank you for bringing these inconsistencies in KeySoft to our attention. Due to the complexity of KeySoft and the often limited time in which to add or make changes to functionality, these things are sometimes overlooked. I will be sure to log these points you have made in our database. If you have any further feedback to provide, please don't hesitate to contact us. Regards, Dean Jackson Customer/Technical Analyst Pulse Data International Ltd. DDI: +64 3 373 6184 Fax: +64-3-384 4933 Email: deanj@pulsedata.com Internet: www.pulsedata.com __________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Wolk" <"wolkl@postmark.net"@smtp.enter.net> To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:43 AM Subject: [Braillenote] more on commands > It just occurred to me how much sense it does NOT make to have the command for renaming a keymail folder to be enter with r. Why would this be the case, when the command to rename a document or folder is backspace with r? Why would such a simple command not stand continuous throughout all keysoft applications. It makes no sense whatsoever and only causes confusion. > > A second question. Why is it that when you go to rename a folder in keyword, you get the prompt "computer braille is required", yet if you rename the folder through the folder manager, you can type the same foldername in grade 2? Again, it doesn't match up, in my mind anyway. Any thoughts/explanations? Laura > > > "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 12:25:33 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACopg-0004Lt-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:25:33 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-232.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.232]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9NNPSue015505 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c399bc$f0f05710$e87e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:25:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:25:33 -0000 Dear Lisa, The idea of a portable charger sounds nice. I suppose it would be battery-operated, too? ne thing most people would like is a battery pack people could change themselves. The Keynote Companions had one. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 12:29:05 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACot3-0004Vi-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:29:03 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-232.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.232]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9NNStEL024942 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:28:56 -0700 Message-ID: <003101c399bd$6c4d4da0$e87e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <16278.29619.570514.639607@akp@eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Strange attachments from many of you out there Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:28:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:29:05 -0000 I've had Outlook Express set for plain text and I've never had it otherwise, so nobody should be receiving attachments from me except those who wanted Bibles sent to them. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 12:43:34 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACp77-0005XW-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:43:33 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-232.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.232]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9NNhTue020527 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:43:29 -0700 Message-ID: <006901c399bf$74f2d360$e87e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><16278.30525.94262.630147%akp@eznet.net> <005201c398a7$c46464e0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:43:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:43:34 -0000 Speech is a substitute for grade 2 braille, but if you use braille music or grade 3 braille, speech won't work. Once you become braille-display-dependent, speech alone doesn't cut it anymore. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From dnkeys@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 24 12:44:48 2003 Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.168.181]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACp8K-0005eG-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:44:48 +1300 Received: from adsl-67-117-30-30.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net (HELO computername) (dnkeys@sbcglobal.net@67.117.30.30 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:44:45 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c399bf$a59ed900$e172fea9@computername> From: "Dan" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007901c397bb$d35b4b40$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><003301c397d9$dad47540$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11><002001c397df$50b61fc0$800101df@Palooza.Local><002d01c397fb$18966200$ae53fea9@default><01d801c397ff$a80af190$724b8751@oemb97d30ddbzd><015001c39991$d1900490$9e7c94d1@teri><003101c39997$0c520880$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov> <000f01c399bb$da582650$800101df@nu7i> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:44:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:44:48 -0000 Hi, If you did, the price would really go through the roof. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Hi Andy, > > Is there any precedence for classifying equipment like this as medical? > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Baracco" > To: "Braillenote List" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > Hi Terri, > > > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to be > > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, > > Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a > > co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. > > Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their > > teeth into. > > > > Andy > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From jim@blindsea.com Fri Oct 24 12:49:49 2003 Received: from [12.129.195.232] (helo=host81n.ipowerweb.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACpDA-0005oc-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:49:48 +1300 Received: (qmail 9075 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:48:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pain) (66.188.202.178) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:48:52 -0000 From: "Jim Ruby" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:49:37 -0500 Organization: Ivocalize Message-ID: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c399bf$a59ed900$e172fea9@computername> X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:49:49 -0000 You may be able to do this, but the bn would cost $15,000.00 and not a = near $7,000.00 and then not everyone would be able to get pro-approved for = such a device making the market even smaller because who want to try and buy it = on their own would stand even less of a chance. Get your own Voice Conferencing Room http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=3D397&a=3Dp&r=3D0 Jim Ruby On-Line Access Technology Trainer jim@blindsea.com Blind Sea http://www.blindsea.com (651) 385-0702 -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:45 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes=20 Hi, If you did, the price would really go through the roof. Dan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Hi Andy, > > Is there any precedence for classifying equipment like this as=20 > medical? > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at=20 > http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out=20 > Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Andy Baracco" > To: "Braillenote List" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > Hi Terri, > > > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed=20 > > to be > > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by=20 > > Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if=20 > > there was a co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the=20 > > retail price. Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness=20 > > organizations can sink their teeth into. > > > > Andy > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to=20 > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit=20 > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to=20 > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit=20 > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From raincrow@vvm.com Fri Oct 24 12:51:06 2003 Received: from mx3.vvm.com ([66.196.0.15]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpEP-0005wo-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:51:05 +1300 Received: from customer (66-196-9-52.vvm.com [66.196.9.52]) by mx3.vvm.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h9NNovXK026608 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:51:01 -0500 Message-ID: <002201c399c0$cab2ec80$3409c442@customer> From: "Crystal French" To: "Braille Note" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:52:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-VArrive-Time: 1066953061.287 Precedence: first-class X-Vintorg: mx3.vvm.com Subject: [Braillenote] user replaceable battery X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:51:06 -0000 Hi, I am not asking this question to be contentious, but would like to know why the battery in the Notes is not user replaceable? Thanks. Crystal From chrisg@acsu.buffalo.edu Fri Oct 24 12:51:27 2003 Received: from out004pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.142] helo=out004.verizon.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpEk-00060S-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:51:27 +1300 Received: from your-o0kwkw9jwc ([141.149.142.177]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031023235123.VTPZ25700.out004.verizon.net@your-o0kwkw9jwc> for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:51:23 -0500 Message-ID: <200310231951410540.00CE0891@outgoing.verizon.net> References: <200310231948550368.00CB7F75@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.01.1088 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:51:41 -0400 From: "Chris G" To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.149.142.177] at Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:51:23 -0500 Subject: [Braillenote] kurzweil and braillenote X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:51:27 -0000 Hello, I received my registered copy of kurzweil 8 today. i ran the manual off to mp3 cd and copied it to my flash card, it's pretty= cool, i can play the mp3 files that i created with any sapi voice i= choose. even dectalk access 32 if i choose to install it. Chris From jim@blindsea.com Fri Oct 24 12:56:14 2003 Received: from [12.129.195.232] (helo=host81n.ipowerweb.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACpJN-0006TE-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:56:13 +1300 Received: (qmail 12964 invoked from network); 23 Oct 2003 23:55:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pain) (66.188.202.178) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Oct 2003 23:55:18 -0000 From: "Jim Ruby" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:56:07 -0500 Organization: Ivocalize Message-ID: <00bb01c399c1$3a4f9de0$c701a8c0@pain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002001c399bc$f0f05710$e87e94d1@teri> X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:56:14 -0000 Yes, for the price the bn should of had a battery pack one could change. = A bit more thinking could of gone in to the design. A while back pdi asked everyone to write in their suggestions on what they would like to see in = the bn and there was a lot of good ideas. My only hope is that some of those ideas and more will come to play soon in the bn with out to much of a = cost involved for the upgrades. It is hard to afford things in a limited = nitch market unless you are tide to an organization or other means of grat/financual help. I think one of them solar chargers would be great unless you were on the subway underground or enjoying a cloudy day. Get your own Voice Conferencing Room http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=3D397&a=3Dp&r=3D0 Jim Ruby On-Line Access Technology Trainer jim@blindsea.com Blind Sea http://www.blindsea.com (651) 385-0702 -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Terri = Pannett Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:25 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable = battery Dear Lisa, The idea of a portable charger sounds nice. I suppose it would be battery-operated, too? ne thing most people would like is a battery pack people could change themselves. The Keynote Companions had one. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 13:06:45 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpTY-00075j-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:06:45 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-232.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.232]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O06eue026770 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:06:41 -0700 Message-ID: <00e701c399c2$b28d5da0$e87e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <002601c398e0$c98356f0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Question about BN menus. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:06:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:06:45 -0000 Dear Sara, You use the space bar to move through a menu when you are in themain menu, but once you choose a task, such as the word processor or planner, you can use either the space and backspace or the up and down arrows. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From nickdotson@cox.net Fri Oct 24 13:08:01 2003 Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net ([68.1.17.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpUm-0007HL-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:08:01 +1300 Received: from NICK2 ([68.106.130.242]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031024000757.VHCO7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@NICK2> for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:07:57 -0400 From: "W. Nick Dotson" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:11:58 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <000901c399b8$7a920d10$800101df@nu7i> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Message-Id: <20031024000757.VHCO7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@NICK2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "W. Nick Dotson" , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:08:01 -0000 For purposes of clarification, not much inference needed, the Dictionary definition of the word "loan" follows: "loan 1. loan. noun. Something lent for temporary use. A sum of money lent at interest. 2. An act of lending; a grant for temporary use: asked for the loan of a garden hose. 3. A temporary transfer to a duty or place away from a regular job: an efficiency expert on loan from the main office. 4. transitive verb. Usage Problem. loaned, loaning, loans. To lend." Nick On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:53:30 -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote: >Hi Anita, >The NFB program is a loan, not a grant, so, yes, you do have to pay that >back... :-) >Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! >Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! >A+, CCNA, Network+! >Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i >All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anita" >To: "Braillenote List" >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:43 PM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes >> do you have to pay that money back? What are the phone numbers for those >> organizations you mentioned? >> Anita >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/NCI)" >> To: "'Braillenote List'" >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:09 PM >> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes >> >> >> > Some of you may know, but NFB has a low interest $3,000 loan available. >> > Also a lot of the Federal Government is under the CAP program. While >NIH >> > was waiting to be accepted under the CAP program, I was trying to figure >> out >> > how I could round up $4,000 to use with the NFB loan. We didn't know >for >> > sure if we were going to get accepted. I talked to CAP at the 508 Expo >> att >> > NIH. Hopefully I will get my equipment in November. They are >> > supposed to get their funding by the end of October. >> > Hopefully by Thanksgiving, I will be a real BN user. >> > >> > Terry Powers >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Andy Baracco [mailto:wq6r@concentric.net] >> > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:54 PM >> > To: Braillenote List >> > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes >> > >> > >> > Hi Terri, >> > >> > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed to >be >> > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by Medicare, >> > Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if there was a >> > co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the retail price. >> > Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness organizations can sink their >> > teeth into. >> > >> > Andy >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >> > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> > >> > ___ >> > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >> > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> > >> >> >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 13:17:28 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpdv-0008Ss-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:17:28 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-232.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.232]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O0HNEL006276 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:17:24 -0700 Message-ID: <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> <6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:17:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:17:29 -0000 Dear Steve, I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but if you have a QT keyboard and you know the name of the subfolder, you can type /foldername and get to a list of files in that folder. I agree Keysoft should be structured like Windows Explorer so that you can see a folder has subfolders in it and hit right arrow to see what they are. To get to subfolders within a folder, press control t on a QT keyboard. (I wish I had a list of the BT keyboard commands so I could give the equivalents.) Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From aeveret1@ec.rr.com Fri Oct 24 13:25:32 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03-lbl.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] helo=ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpli-0000cR-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:25:31 +1300 Received: from d2t3c6 (cpe-024-211-220-214.ec.rr.com [24.211.220.214]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O0PNhf015407 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01c399c5$fa415ae0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> From: "Anita" To: "Braillenote List" References: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:30:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:25:32 -0000 I feel that Rehab agenciesdon't purchase what thereclients request. I for one, haven'trecieved the first piece of equiptment from them!!!! i had to pur hase all of my computer software, hardware and the actual computer itself. Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruby" To: "'Braillenote List'" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes You may be able to do this, but the bn would cost $15,000.00 and not a near $7,000.00 and then not everyone would be able to get pro-approved for such a device making the market even smaller because who want to try and buy it on their own would stand even less of a chance. Get your own Voice Conferencing Room http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=397&a=p&r=0 Jim Ruby On-Line Access Technology Trainer jim@blindsea.com Blind Sea http://www.blindsea.com (651) 385-0702 -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:45 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Hi, If you did, the price would really go through the roof. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Hi Andy, > > Is there any precedence for classifying equipment like this as > medical? > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at > http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out > Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Baracco" > To: "Braillenote List" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:54 AM > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > Hi Terri, > > > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed > > to be > > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by > > Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if > > there was a co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the > > retail price. Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness > > organizations can sink their teeth into. > > > > Andy > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From paujor@fuse.net Fri Oct 24 13:29:49 2003 Received: from smtp02.fuse.net ([216.68.1.133]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACpps-0001Eq-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:29:49 +1300 Received: from 360eh ([216.196.214.21]) by smtp02.fuse.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.04 201-253-122-130-104-20030726) with SMTP id <20031024002946.GSQY22993.smtp02.fuse.net@360eh> for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:29:46 -0400 From: "paula jordan" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031023201925.JVFV29414.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@BrailleNote> Subject: [Braillenote] deleting blocks of text in the planner X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:29:49 -0000 Is there a way to delete the text in your planner prior to say a month or so in the past. I might be concerned about something that won't ever be a problem, but I have several appointments on many days, and, after a while don't need that information. Is there an advantage to deleting that unnecessary stuff? If this doesn't make much sense, write me off list at paujor@fuse.net and I'll try to clarify. God bless! Paula Jordan and Pilot dog Tex? -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com]On Behalf Of Sylvia Grimes Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:19 PM To: Bn Subject: [Braillenote] test testing ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From jack728@comcast.net Fri Oct 24 13:33:34 2003 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACptW-0001OQ-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:34 +1300 Received: from laptop_pc (pcp03397680pcs.tsclos01.al.comcast.net[68.38.46.39]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20031024003329014009ac7he>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:33:30 +0000 From: "Shane Jackson" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:33:22 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:33:34 -0000 Hello, all. Wow! I found the following just by playng around with my BN. Maybe this can prove useful to someone, since you are all having trouble with control t. On my unit, which is a BT keyboard, when I am on a folder and want to see its sub- folders, all I do is hit dots 5 6 with space, and the directory structure comes right up on the display. I would assume you could do this with the right-arrow, but I didn't try it when I had my QT keyboard. I hope this information is helpful to someone. Shane Jackson Tuscaloosa, AL, USA. "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16 From dnkeys@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 24 13:36:28 2003 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACpwJ-0001V8-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:36:27 +1300 Received: from adsl-67-117-30-30.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net (HELO computername) (dnkeys@sbcglobal.net@67.117.30.30 with login) by smtp1.bt.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 00:36:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c399c6$dc276710$e172fea9@computername> From: "Dan" To: "BrailleNote List" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:36:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:36:28 -0000 Hi, What about this for an idea, or something like it. In the us, we have companies such as Batteries Plus. These companies can replace batteries in devices that have to be taken apart and a procedure must be followed to change the batteries. What if PDI were to contract with some of these companies so that we could get our batteries replaced without having to be without the unit for an extended period of time. If a unit isn't in warranty, why not just provide the instructions for replacing the batteries for those of us who wish to do it ourselves. Just something else for all of us to discuss and hopefully PDI might take it seriously. Dan From lisak70@ticon.net Fri Oct 24 13:55:14 2003 Received: from mx02.ticon.net ([66.181.128.20]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACqET-0002Xq-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:55:14 +1300 Received: (qmail 30438 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2003 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx02.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 0.79939 secs); 24 Oct 2003 00:55:11 -0000 Received: from d057.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.137.27) by mx02.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 00:55:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c399ca$9739d8a0$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><16278.30525.94262.630147%akp@eznet.net><005201c398a7$c46464e0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> <006901c399bf$74f2d360$e87e94d1@teri> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:03:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:55:14 -0000 Speech is of limited or no use for deafblind users. As a deafblind BN user, I ask that PDI not ignore the needs of those who use (and/or rely on) Braille output. This hasn't been a problem so far and I hope this continues to be the case as more features are added to the BrailleNote. It is important (and only fair) that the BN remain equally accessible regardless of the output being used. Lisa K. "Assumptions allow the best in life to pass you by." -- John Sales From jnweinger@comcast.net Fri Oct 24 14:18:39 2003 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.202.56]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACqb9-0004m0-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:18:39 +1300 Received: from jerry (pcp106767pcs.echryh01.nj.comcast.net[68.45.100.235]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003102401183201200nut0re>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:18:34 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c399cc$2151e860$6601a8c0@echryh01.nj.comcast.net> From: "Jerry Weinger" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk> <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:14:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Braillenote] BT And QT Command Reference X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jerry Weinger , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:18:40 -0000 Dear Listers, As there is a good quantity of help given among users on this list, and as sometimes the helper has a different keyboard than the recipient of the help, a BrailleNote BT And QT Quick reference would be invaluable. Could PDI make this available? Or might a BT user and a QT user post the reference on the list? Sincerely, Jerry Weinger From juanitatighan@frontiernet.net Fri Oct 24 14:30:44 2003 Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.37]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACqmp-00064L-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:30:43 +1300 Received: (qmail 5108 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 01:30:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO BrailleNote) ([170.215.103.105]) (envelope-sender ) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.6) with SMTP for ; 24 Oct 2003 01:30:40 -0000 To: Braillenote List From: "Jane Jordan" Subject: re: [Braillenote] Exiting keysoft. MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:30:43 +1300 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:30:44 -0000 OK, could someone please explain how exiting KeySoft would help? I am confused. I mean, just what would it do for BN users? Jane From lisak70@ticon.net Fri Oct 24 14:35:35 2003 Received: from mx02.ticon.net ([66.181.128.20]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACqrW-0006CJ-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:35:35 +1300 Received: (qmail 16498 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2003 01:35:32 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx02.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 1.042767 secs); 24 Oct 2003 01:35:32 -0000 Received: from d057.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.137.27) by mx02.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 01:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <006e01c399d0$3a1974e0$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" References: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> <001c01c399c5$fa415ae0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:35:35 -0000 Anita, What rehab will and won't pay for varies from state to state and from counselor to counselor. I was fortunate enough to have VR purchase my BrailleNote 32. In making this request, I wrote a letter explaining why the BN would serve my needs better than any other notetaker available on the market. I also received a letter of support from several staff members at my university. Perhaps you might try compiling the same information. As you probably already know, when you're dealing with VR, the best thing to do is to give them all of the information you can...and then some. While this won't guarantee funding approval, it will get you one step closer to justifying your case. Lisa K. "To achieve the possible, you must attempt the impossible. To be the best you can be, you must dream of being more." -- Anonymous From dnkeys@sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 24 14:37:55 2003 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACqtm-0006I4-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:37:54 +1300 Received: from ppp-67-126-202-53.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net (HELO computername) (dnkeys@sbcglobal.net@67.126.202.53 with login) by smtp1.bt.mail.vip.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 01:37:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c399cf$722408b0$e172fea9@computername> From: "Dan" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Exiting keysoft. Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:37:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:37:55 -0000 Hi, In this way, it would be possible to run a screen reader instead of relying only on the output functions of KeySoft. Then other screen readers such as JAWS Window-Eyes or perhaps others could be developed. Thus allowing other applications to be utilized by the BN. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Jordan" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: re: [Braillenote] Exiting keysoft. > OK, could someone please explain how exiting KeySoft would help? I am confused. I mean, just what would it do for BN users? > Jane > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 14:56:09 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACrBQ-0008S2-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:56:09 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O1u4EL027598 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:56:05 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01c399d1$fadedcf0$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk><002a01c398e6$3a994890$e172fea9@computername><6.0.0.22.2.20031022225334.0379a830@mail.comproom.co.uk> <006d01c398e7$c9c5da00$6501a8c0@yourwg5n33dutv> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Keysoft for windows? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:56:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:56:10 -0000 Dear Karl, There used to be a version of Keysoft for DOS which you could use with a PC, but they've never developed one for Windows 9.x or XP. The version in the BN is C E. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From aeveret1@ec.rr.com Fri Oct 24 15:09:03 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.100] helo=ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACrNt-00019u-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:09:02 +1300 Received: from d2t3c6 (cpe-024-211-220-214.ec.rr.com [24.211.220.214]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O28uQT016016; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701c399d4$713c4e80$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> From: "Anita" To: "Lisa Kozlik" , "Braillenote List" References: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> <001c01c399c5$fa415ae0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> <006e01c399d0$3a1974e0$25f4fea9@4puz9> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:13:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:09:03 -0000 Hi lisa, i'm unclear as to what information I need to give my Rehab councillor? He knows that I have a BNS 640. His attitude is like, We're not gonna purchase a Braille-Note, or anything else for you, since you already have a BNS". I definitely prefer a note-taker with a Braille display! Anita" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Anita, > > What rehab will and won't pay for varies from state to state and from > counselor to counselor. I was fortunate enough to have VR purchase my > BrailleNote 32. In making this request, I wrote a letter explaining why the > BN would serve my needs better than any other notetaker available on the > market. I also received a letter of support from several staff members at my > university. > > Perhaps you might try compiling the same information. As you probably > already know, when you're dealing with VR, the best thing to do is to give > them all of the information you can...and then some. While this won't > guarantee funding approval, it will get you one step closer to justifying > your case. > > Lisa K. > > "To achieve the possible, you must attempt the impossible. To be the best > you can be, you must dream of being more." > -- Anonymous > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From mikea@brick.net Fri Oct 24 15:14:37 2003 Received: from mail.brick.net ([209.74.143.13]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACrTJ-0001O0-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:14:37 +1300 Received: from mikea (209-74-153-166.brick.net [209.74.153.166]) by mail.brick.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9O2ES9Q003183 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:14:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003d01c399d4$7733b620$a6994ad1@brick.net> From: "Mike Arrigo" To: "Braillenote List" References: <002201c399c0$cab2ec80$3409c442@customer> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] user replaceable battery Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:13:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:14:38 -0000 I've often wondered this myself. It certainly would be more convenient, as opposed to sending the unit in for this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crystal French" To: "Braille Note" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: [Braillenote] user replaceable battery > Hi, > I am not asking this question to be contentious, but would like to know why > the battery in the Notes is not user replaceable? > > Thanks. > > Crystal > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From m.barber@mchsi.com Fri Oct 24 15:33:42 2003 Received: from sccmmhc02.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.184]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACrll-0002ko-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:33:41 +1300 Received: from laptop2 (12-216-136-96.client.mchsi.com[12.216.136.96]) by sccmmhc02.asp.att.net (sccmmhc02) with SMTP id <20031024023338mm2003eihoe>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:33:38 +0000 Message-ID: <002201c399d7$3c208b50$6401a8c0@LAPTOP2> From: "Michael Barber" To: "Braillenote List" References: <002201c399c0$cab2ec80$3409c442@customer> <003d01c399d4$7733b620$a6994ad1@brick.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] user replaceable battery Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:33:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:33:42 -0000 Yes, this would be a good addition tothe BN. Cordially, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] user replaceable battery > I've often wondered this myself. It certainly would be more convenient, as > opposed to sending the unit in for this. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Crystal French" > To: "Braille Note" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:52 PM > Subject: [Braillenote] user replaceable battery > > > > Hi, > > I am not asking this question to be contentious, but would like to know > why > > the battery in the Notes is not user replaceable? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Crystal > > > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From fiberglasscane@entermail.net Fri Oct 24 15:47:00 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACrye-0003NW-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:47:00 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvmax-8-47.dialup.enter.net [216.193.150.149]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CE4CC451 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:36 -0400 (EDT) To: Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] digest MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031024025236.63CE4CC451@smtp.enter.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:36 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:47:01 -0000 Hi Dean, Just to clarify, I ascertained that because Josh asked how one would go about changing their settings, and you gave the answer of going to the url below, not including that you could also write an email to that address to receive info on how to do it via email. Since you didn't include the second option I assumed there was no second option. Thanks for the address, I've sent and received what I needed. Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: "Dean Jackson" Subject: Re: [Braillenote] digest >Hi Laura, >I'm not quite sure how you managed to extract that from my message so I >guess I'm not saying that (smile). >To get a list of email commands, just send an email to the following email >address: >braillenote-request@list.pulsedata.com >Put the word "help" without the quotes, in the subject or body of the >message. >If you have any further queries, please don't hesitate to contact me. >Regards, >Dean Jackson >Customer/Technical Analyst >Pulse Data International Ltd. >DDI: +64 3 373 6184 >Fax: +64-3-384 4933 >Email: >deanj@pulsedata.com >Internet: >www.pulsedata.com >__________________________ From fiberglasscane@entermail.net Fri Oct 24 15:47:03 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACryh-0003Nu-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:47:03 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvmax-8-47.dialup.enter.net [216.193.150.149]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AB8CC60A; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT) To: "W. Nick Dotson" , Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031024025241.35AB8CC60A@smtp.enter.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:47:04 -0000 I believe it had already been clarified and dealt with. "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: "W. Nick Dotson" Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes >For purposes of clarification, not much inference needed, the Dictionary definition of the word "loan" follows: >"loan >1. loan. noun. > Something lent for temporary use. > A sum of money lent at interest. >2. An act of lending; a grant for temporary use: asked for the loan of a garden hose. >3. A temporary transfer to a duty or place away from a regular job: an efficiency expert on loan from the main office. >4. transitive verb. Usage Problem. loaned, loaning, loans. To lend." >Nick From fiberglasscane@entermail.net Fri Oct 24 15:47:08 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACrym-0003Or-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:47:08 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvmax-8-47.dialup.enter.net [216.193.150.149]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4CBCC646 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:45 -0400 (EDT) To: Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031024025245.7C4CBCC646@smtp.enter.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:52:45 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:47:08 -0000 Hi shane, Not quite. The list of subfolders that you are seeing is the list of folders that you have accessed most recently chronologically starting from the most recent and going backward. This can be useful, but again, it's not really looking at the subfolders of a folder. Take another look and see with what I've said has matched up with you. HTH, Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: "Shane Jackson" Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: >Hello, all. Wow! I found the following just by playng around with my BN. Maybe this can prove useful to someone, since >you are all having trouble with control t. On my unit, which is a BT keyboard, when I am on a folder and want to see its sub- >folders, all I do is hit dots 5 6 with space, and the directory structure comes right up on the display. I would assume you >could do this with the right-arrow, but I didn't try it when I had my QT keyboard. I hope this information is helpful to someone. >Shane Jackson >Tuscaloosa, AL, USA. >"Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16 >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 15:55:03 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACs6Q-0003hh-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:55:03 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O2swue026738 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: <00fa01c399da$35029db0$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs><007401c39904$245c6620$800101df@nu7i><001201c39905$8f1e7510$dbd8fea9@ricardo><000b01c3990e$5966b140$800101df@nu7i><000901c39911$019631e0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> <03ef01c3991e$0acbc1a0$5ea54943@i1l3f0> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 19:54:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:55:03 -0000 Dear Kellie, Everyone will think I'm a nut when they read this. But one of the things I love about Duxbury is you don't have to go through conniptions to move text. This is the only Windows program I know which allows you to select text without having to drag and drop or hold down the control shift keys. But the thing I miss in Windows is the ability to read a word-processing document in grade 2 braille without seeing split words and short displays. That's where the BN comes in handy. I can read and edit so easily! To make up for this deficiency on my PC, I translate all my word processing docs into DBT and I can read them seamlessly. When the BN is connected to the PC, (or any other display), these docs can be read by using the special hot keys WindowEyes has set up to make the display go from line to line. I have my lines set to 30 cells, so I can read text without getting the split words and short displays. Like you, I prefer to use my BN to edit rough drafts and even make copies of WP docs and export them to my PC and DBT for polishing and translation. It's so nice to be able to sit on the couch and work with my BN on my lap! I would like to see the BN continue to improve. Two things come to mind: I'd like to be able to see the page numbers on my display, like I can in DBT; and I would like to be able to copy text to a new document and have the BN automatically realize it's a new document, adjust the formatting accordingly for example, not copying a hard page breaks; and placemarkers set by numbers instead of letters--for example, 1 to 100 instead of a to z. People could really mark up a book well if they had 100 placemarkers to use! It would be nice if PDI could figure out a way to use codes which other "foreign" word processors could recognize. For example, I don't think the flush right code is preserved when a document is exported to WP and I know the automatic indents aren't preserved either. I would also like to see a true Word export instead of rtf. DBT doesn't like RTF, so I'm continuing to export everything to good old WP 5.1, which Keysoft still has, thank the Lord! Sorry to ramble so much, but the blocking of text got me started! Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From MaryanneC@pulsedata.com Fri Oct 24 16:05:07 2003 Received: from 203-79-71-98.adsl.paradise.net.nz ([203.79.71.98] helo=hal.pulsedata.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACsGA-0004a4-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:05:06 +1300 To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002 Message-ID: From: MaryanneC@pulsedata.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:05:06 +1300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 24/10/2003 16:04:59 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Braillenote] Going dotty! X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:05:07 -0000 Hi all, I need some feedback from anyone who uses german or spanish, whether on= the BN or not. Can you tell me what you would call the accent on top of a vowel (in text) that is two dots side by side, as on the o in M=F6venpi= ck? I am asking because I know of several names in current usage and I want t= o find out what others use. If you send your answer to me rather than th= e list I would appreciate it as I don't want to lead the answers I get. Many, many thanks! Maryanne Cathro Knowledge Manager Pulse Data International Ltd. DDI: +64 3 373 6182 Fax: +64-3-384 4933 Mobile: +64 25 538629 Email: maryanneh@pulsedata.com Internet: www.pulsedata.com __________________________ = From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 16:06:57 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACsHw-0004gG-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:06:56 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O36qEL004606 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:06:53 -0700 Message-ID: <00ff01c399db$dec13f40$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <002601c398e0$c98356f0$dbd8fea9@ricardo><001301c398f0$12412ca0$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11><001e01c398f4$13b4bd00$dbd8fea9@ricardo><004701c398f4$505cd850$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11><200310221930340005.0048335F@outgoing.verizon.net> <03fa01c39920$1c4cbc20$5ea54943@i1l3f0> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:06:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:06:57 -0000 Why doesn't Keynote SA work with Windows XP? Is it because Windows XP doesn't work with the synthesizer or is it the fault of the screen reader being used? People on this list have said the BN can't be used as a synth with JAWS but it can be used with WindowEyes. I tried twice to use my VN as a synth with WE and I couldn't get it to work. I figured it had to do with this "Desktalk" I am using, but could Windows XP be the culprit? Is anyone using their VN or BN as a synth with Windows XP and WindowEyes? Why couldn't PDI come out with something Windows XP would like? Presently, one is supposed to be able to set up WE's synthesizer option to "Keynote SA" and the VN is supposed to work. No drivers are necessary. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 16:25:47 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACsaA-0007Kk-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:25:46 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O3Pgue032186 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:25:42 -0700 Message-ID: <012401c399de$80426450$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031023074947.04394950@mail.comproom.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:25:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:25:47 -0000 But the Braillino is simply a braille display with 4 megs of scratchpad memory! Yes, it will work with the Nokia Communicator, but the Communicator has all of the notetaker functions and the idea of paying $795 plus another $3,,00 or so for the Braillino cranks the price to what a person would have to pay for a BN 18! Besides, would people really like the keyboard of the Communicator? It's a cell phone keyboard isn't it? If that's the case, it doesn't resemble either a standard QT keyboard or a BN QT's keyboard and it isn't as large as the BN's keyboard is it? Although I haven't seen the Communicator, I have seen the so-called "qt" keyboard on a Nokia 3300 or 3360, and I didn't like it at all! No, I don't think the Communicator Talks Braillino combo will ever be as popular as the BN! Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 16:26:52 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACsbD-0007Ra-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:26:52 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O3QmEL007738 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: <012901c399de$a76724d0$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:26:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:26:52 -0000 The asterisk is two in signs joined together. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From lisak70@ticon.net Fri Oct 24 16:31:00 2003 Received: from mx01.ticon.net ([66.181.128.19]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACsfE-00088S-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:31:00 +1300 Received: (qmail 4345 invoked by uid 204); 24 Oct 2003 03:30:57 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx01.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2003-10-20/2002-12-17. 2003-10-15/ Clear:. Processed in 1.055629 secs); 24 Oct 2003 03:30:57 -0000 Received: from d057.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.137.27) by mx01.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 03:30:56 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c399e0$59c96240$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Anita" References: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> <001c01c399c5$fa415ae0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> <006e01c399d0$3a1974e0$25f4fea9@4puz9> <002701c399d4$713c4e80$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:38:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:31:00 -0000 Hi Anita, Here are the steps I tookin requesting a BrailleNote from VR... 1. I wrote a letter which outlined the various features of the BrailleNote and how each of them would help me attain my educational and employment goals. For example, I explained how the BN would allow me to do such things as access campus computers, use e-mail in order to communicate with my professors in a timely manner, create, edit and print out class assignments, resaearch projects and exams, keep track of appointments and other important information using the BN's planner and addressbook. 2. I asked the staff in the disability office at my university to write a letter explaining how the BrailleNote would help me in my classes -- as well as my future job search upon graduation. The primary use for the BN was for Braille captioning, but other examples such as the ones I listed above were also cited in order to make a stronger case. 3. I had the opportunity to use a demo of the BrailleNote for about two weeks. During this time, I wrote down my observations (both pros and cons) about the BrailleNote and how its functionality would serve my needs better than that of the competition. I also visited my VR counselor and demonstrated how it worked. In doing this, my counselor was able to get a hands on look at the equipment and to see how easy it was to use. 4. Finally, I had my local dealer call my VR counselor to compare and contrast the BN to the competition and explan why the BrailleNote was the best choice for my needs. I hope these suggestions help get you started. Don't let your counselor get away with brushing you off just because you already have a notetaker. Although it's a fine piece of equipment, the BNS 640 is *severely* outdated and thus will not give you the powerful features found in the BrailleNote. Lisa "Assumptions allow the best in life to pass you by." -- John Sales From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 16:38:00 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACsm0-0008IS-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:38:00 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O3buEL009462 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:37:56 -0700 Message-ID: <016401c399e0$35a7cfa0$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031023074947.04394950@mail.comproom.co.uk> <001d01c39961$093c73a0$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:37:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:38:01 -0000 The Braillino is a 20-cell braille display manufactured by Handy Tech and sold at Beyond sight. It has 4 megs of memory called a "scratchpad." It doesn't have any of the features of the BN, no calendar, browser, email, calculator, etc. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 16:46:24 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACsu7-0000P0-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:46:24 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O3kKue003031 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:46:20 -0700 Message-ID: <017701c399e1$61e2ca10$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk><002a01c398e6$3a994890$e172fea9@computername><6.0.0.22.2.20031022225334.0379a830@mail.comproom.co.uk> <16279.52984.905895.568607@akp@eznet.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:46:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:46:24 -0000 I still have my old PC with DOS 6.0, WP 5.1 and DBT for DOS. I don't use it very often, but I'm not parting with DOS until I'm very sure my Windows PC will "cut the mustard." To commercial folks, DOS is dead, but as long as someone is still using it, DOS is still alive. Besides, my Windows XP must have some DOS in it because there is a command utility where a person can issue DOS commands. One feature of the BN's file manager which I like better than Windows Explorer is the ability to select multiple files using the wildcard symbols. I have just learned how to select multiple files using Windows, and boy, it's a pain in the neck! PDI, keep the wild card feature! Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From kellhart@bigzoo.net Fri Oct 24 16:55:18 2003 Received: from mail.news.bigzoo.net ([65.113.30.59] helo=mail.bigzoo.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACt2k-0000x1-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:55:18 +1300 Received: from i1l3f0 ([]) by mail.bigzoo.net (BigZoo Mail server v5.0) with SMTP id JGC74314 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:55:17 -0700 Message-ID: <027901c399e3$6d996060$75a54943@i1l3f0> From: "Kellie Hartmann" To: "Braillenote List" References: <001201c399c6$dc276710$e172fea9@computername> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] About Replaceable Batteries and place markers Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:00:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:55:18 -0000 Hi Dan. I like this idea very much; the idea of being separated from my BN while its battery gets replaced is daunting. Someone recently mentioned that once you get used to braille output speech isn't good enough anymore, and this is definitely true of me in some applications. Also, I strongly agree with the suggestion to add more place markers in Keysoft. I think that would be tremendously helpful. I also like the idea of using numbers instead of letters because alpha-numerics can get a bit much when you're trying to remember which number corresponds with V or which letter corresponds to 22. Ok, I know I'm really math-impaired. Kellie Hartmann From vandriel@emsanet.com Fri Oct 24 16:57:13 2003 Received: from [198.76.169.200] (helo=mail.emsanet.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ACt4b-00012L-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:57:13 +1300 Received: (qmail 10974 invoked from network); 24 Oct 2003 03:57:07 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool74-226.nas4.salt-lake-city1.ut.us.da.qwest.net (HELO BrailleNote) (67.2.74.226) by 192.168.10.200 with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 03:57:07 -0000 To: Braillenote List From: richard Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:57:13 +1300 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:57:14 -0000 I would like to see a replaceable battery for the bn. It would make it possible to hang on to an otherwise perfectly good machine and continue using it and not have to send it back and go without simply because a battery is worn out. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 16:25:25 -0700 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery >Dear Lisa, >The idea of a portable charger sounds nice. I suppose it would be >battery-operated, too? >ne thing most people would like is a battery pack people could change >themselves. The Keynote Companions had one. >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 17:13:13 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtK4-0001yw-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:13:13 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O4D8ue007005 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:13:09 -0700 Message-ID: <020501c399e5$20a06950$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007901c397bb$d35b4b40$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><003301c397d9$dad47540$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11><002001c397df$50b61fc0$800101df@Palooza.Local><002d01c397fb$18966200$ae53fea9@default><01d801c397ff$a80af190$724b8751@oemb97d30ddbzd><015001c39991$d1900490$9e7c94d1@teri> <003101c39997$0c520880$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:13:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:13:13 -0000 Dear Andy, I know a person can take them off as medical expenses on their income taxes. The idea of Medicare subsidizing them sounds goo ... orif HMOs like Kaiser ... but I'm dreaming! Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From wq6r@concentric.net Fri Oct 24 17:15:19 2003 Received: from darius.concentric.net ([207.155.198.79]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtM6-00023m-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:15:18 +1300 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h9O4FEU16718 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Errors-To: Received: from andy (da001d0224.lax-ca.osd.concentric.net [66.239.48.224]) by newman.concentric.net ([Concentric SMTP 1.3]) id AAA28668; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20031023211311.007b5970@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: wq6r@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:13:11 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? In-Reply-To: <000901c399bb$aa3dd960$800101df@nu7i> References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs> <02c501c3999d$21be2310$9e7c94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:15:19 -0000 Hi Darrell, Considering your extensive background in access technology, and your grounding in NFB philosophy, i have difficulty understanding your comments of the last few days. As one who has worked in the access tech field for years, you certainly know why access tech for the blind costs more than the technology used by sighted folks. And as one who has been through an NFB rehab center, you know all about alternative techniques. For a sighted person, mobility equals a car. Blind folks have to find other ways to get around. Thus there is no reason why a PDA for the blind has to look or act like a sighted person's PDA, as long as it gets the job done. If you really want to emulate a sighted person that bad, then you know which device to get. If your concern is getting your work done in an efficient and blind friendly environment, then you know which device to get. Personally, I have a PC at home, and one at work. I use my note taker when I am mobil. it is not necessary that my note taker resemble my computer, or a sighted person's PDA for that matter. I have seen demonstrations of how you can instantly transfer data between the Packmate and a sighted person's PDA, and have even been told that guys and girls can exchange phone numbers this way, but in my 54 years on this earth, no girl has yet asked me to beam her my phone number, and my wife wouldn't let it happen anyway. (SMILE)! Andy From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 17:18:20 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtP2-000295-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:18:20 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O4IGEL015837 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:18:16 -0700 Message-ID: <021201c399e5$d82bde60$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <3F97B896@webmail.tznet.com> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Voice Note QT thoughts and a question Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:18:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:18:21 -0000 Hi, You may have added some hard line breaks on one of the days in your calendar. To get rid of those line breaks, go to the day on which you saw them and delete them by pressing control with comma. I'll never forget how excited I was when I received my VN QT! That was over 2 years ago. Have fun! Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From nu7i@azboss.net Fri Oct 24 17:20:24 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtR2-0002Dy-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:20:24 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9O4Die03807 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c399e6$1ef3fc60$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <001201c399c6$dc276710$e172fea9@computername> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:20:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:20:24 -0000 Hi Dan, I know PDI has a hardware maintenance agreement for the BN. I didn't purchase it with mine for two reasons: 1. It is very expensive. 2. The cost was not justifiable because Pulse Data doesn't have any sort of advance-exchange RMA program. Quite frankly, that's the big reason why I'm not going for the upgrade at this point; I just can't afford to be without my BN for two weeks. I purchased a piece of technology to depend on to get my work done, not a toy I can do without for awhile!!! Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" To: "BrailleNote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries > Hi, > What about this for an idea, or something like it. > In the us, we have companies such as Batteries Plus. These companies can > replace batteries in devices that have to be taken apart and a procedure > must be followed to change the batteries. > What if PDI were to contract with some of these companies so that we could > get our batteries replaced without having to be without the unit for an > extended period of time. > If a unit isn't in warranty, why not just provide the instructions for > replacing the batteries for those of us who wish to do it ourselves. > Just something else for all of us to discuss and hopefully PDI might take it > seriously. > > Dan > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From nu7i@azboss.net Fri Oct 24 17:24:07 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtUc-0002d6-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:24:06 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9O4HPe04372 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:17:26 -0700 Message-ID: <005b01c399e6$a3192dd0$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:23:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:24:07 -0000 Hi Jim, Absolutely agreed! I'd fiercely resist the temptation of making this sort of equipment classified as medical. I don't have Medicare... :-) Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruby" To: "'Braillenote List'" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:49 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > You may be able to do this, but the bn would cost $15,000.00 and not a near > $7,000.00 and then not everyone would be able to get pro-approved for such a > device making the market even smaller because who want to try and buy it on > their own would stand even less of a chance. > > > Get your own Voice Conferencing Room > http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=397&a=p&r=0 > Jim Ruby > On-Line Access Technology Trainer > jim@blindsea.com > Blind Sea > http://www.blindsea.com > (651) 385-0702 > -----Original Message----- > From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com > [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Dan > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:45 PM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > Hi, > If you did, the price would really go through the roof. > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darrell Shandrow" > To: "Braillenote List" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > Hi Andy, > > > > Is there any precedence for classifying equipment like this as > > medical? > > > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > > A+, CCNA, Network+! > > Check out high quality telecommunications services at > > http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out > > Operation Iraqi Freedom! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andy Baracco" > > To: "Braillenote List" > > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:54 AM > > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > > > > Hi Terri, > > > > > > I think that the answer is to have note takers for the blind deemed > > > to > be > > > durable medical equipment, and thus they could be paid for by > > > Medicare, Medicaid, and private health insurance plans. Even if > > > there was a co-payment, this would cost the user much less than the > > > retail price. Perhaps this is an issue that the blindness > > > organizations can sink their teeth into. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From wq6r@concentric.net Fri Oct 24 17:25:36 2003 Received: from darius.concentric.net ([207.155.198.79]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtW3-0002hW-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:25:35 +1300 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h9O4PXU17796 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Errors-To: Received: from andy (da001d0224.lax-ca.osd.concentric.net [66.239.48.224]) by newman.concentric.net ([Concentric SMTP 1.3]) id AAA00265; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20031023212329.007d3d50@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: wq6r@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:23:29 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes In-Reply-To: <000801c399bf$a59ed900$e172fea9@computername> References: <007901c397bb$d35b4b40$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> <003301c397d9$dad47540$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> <002001c397df$50b61fc0$800101df@Palooza.Local> <002d01c397fb$18966200$ae53fea9@default> <01d801c397ff$a80af190$724b8751@oemb97d30ddbzd> <015001c39991$d1900490$9e7c94d1@teri> <003101c39997$0c520880$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov> <000f01c399bb$da582650$800101df@nu7i> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:25:36 -0000 Hi Darrell, There are devices that are not exactly medical that are paid for my Medicare. Ones that come to mind are electric scooters and motorized reclining chairs. Several years ago, Medicare purchased a CCTV for a visually impaired man in New Jersey who used it to read his medicine bottles. Andy From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 17:30:16 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtaZ-00038S-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:30:16 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O4UAue009099 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:30:10 -0700 Message-ID: <024e01c399e7$81c93c50$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:30:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:30:16 -0000 For people using QT keyboards, the star sign is a shift 8. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From wq6r@concentric.net Fri Oct 24 17:35:24 2003 Received: from darius.concentric.net ([207.155.198.79]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtfY-0003Fu-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:35:24 +1300 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h9O4ZLU19596 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Errors-To: Received: from andy (da001d0224.lax-ca.osd.concentric.net [66.239.48.224]) by newman.concentric.net ([Concentric SMTP 1.3]) id AAA01892; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20031023213318.007d98f0@pop3.concentric.net> X-Sender: wq6r@pop3.concentric.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:33:18 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: Andy Baracco Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes In-Reply-To: <001c01c399c5$fa415ae0$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> References: <00b801c399c0$548b6d20$c701a8c0@pain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:35:25 -0000 The reason that I suggested that these devices be purchased by Medicare, or insurance companies is because the rehabilitation system is both unable and unwilling to purchase these devices unless their arms are twisted. Also, rehab targets persons with the goal of competitive employment, thus screening out many people who could benefit by having the devices even though they will not be using them in an employment situation. Andy From pann1@sonic.net Fri Oct 24 17:46:25 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACtqC-0003ko-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:46:24 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-126-131.arc15.nas4.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.126.131]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9O4kKue011334 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:46:20 -0700 Message-ID: <02a801c399e9$c3e9e060$837e94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] deleting blocks of text in the planner Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:46:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:46:25 -0000 Dear Paula, The easiest thing to do would be to wait until 2004's planner is current on your BN. Then delete the planner 2003. Be sure you don't need to look back at it anymore! Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From nu7i@azboss.net Fri Oct 24 18:12:48 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACuFj-00056k-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:47 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9O566e11166 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:06:06 -0700 Message-ID: <00c801c399ed$6ffb87c0$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs><02c501c3999d$21be2310$9e7c94d1@teri> <3.0.3.32.20031023211311.007b5970@pop3.concentric.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:12:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:12:48 -0000 Hi Andy, First, it appears you have partially misunderstood my recent comments. I am not asking that my notetaker emulate, in exact functioning and methods of operation, a sighted person's PDA at all. I am asking, however, that it possess functionality that is in line with the PDA enjoyed by my sighted peers. Obviously, a sighted person's PDA would be almost completely useless to us, even if a portable version of a screen reader were installed. Many of these devices include input methods, such as touch screen displays or pen-based capabilities, which are totally inaccessible to a blind person. Obviously, either a Braille or QWERTY-style keyboard is necessary for us to supply input to such a device. When VR is covering your ticket in full or in part on this equipment, some of the issues I raise may not be such a big deal. I think they should be for everyone, but, well, when it's mostly not your money going into the purchase, you're simply not going to be as invested in the process. But, well, I scraped together the funding to purchase my BrailleNote with certain expectations for the future. Those expectations haven't really come to pass, and I pretty much feel let down by the entire experience. Even VR clients or those receiving funding for these purchases ought to be treating them with the same seriousness as though the money were coming out of their own pocket. They need to be asking at least the following questions: 1. Since this product is for serious business (education, employment...) I am going to be depending on its availability and functionality more and more as I integrate it into my day-to-day workflow. It is not a toy. When it fails, as all such devices will do at some point, or when I need a hardware upgrade to obtain additional functionality, I need to have zero or minimal downtime. If my SonicWALL firewall goes down, I receive a advance-exchange RMA replacement by 10:30 the next morning. I provide a credit card to secure this RMA and promise to send the broken product back to SonicWALL within 30 days. I should be able to do the same with my assistive technology hardware if I have a maintenance agreement. True, I didn't elect to purchase such an agreement on my BN, but it wasn't justifiable because I was told there was no such advance-exchange RMA replacement program. That should have been a red-flag right there; I should have simply held off on the purchase. I was informed that there were possibilities to make advance-exchange arrangements, but I never had the confidence that this would really turn out to be the case. 2. Promise features and functionality need to come through and there shouldn't be any misrepresentation of functionality. At the time of my BN purchase, I worked in the NOC of a regional Internet service provider. I was told, or was at least under the impression that, the BN included a terminal emulator. I had plans to be able to use the BN's serial port to connect with devices such as the console management interfaces of routers, servers and the like. When I learned the truth from additional extensive real-world experience, the lack of the terminal program, I was hugely disappointed. Similarly, I was disappointed when I learned that the promised Microsoft E-Book reader deal fell through. OK. Well, that's enough here... These are just some thoughts for all to ponder. BTW, I am no longer locked into NFB's philosophy or that of anyone else. I just look out for the true best interests of blind people... Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Baracco" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? > Hi Darrell, > > Considering your extensive background in access technology, and your > grounding in NFB philosophy, i have difficulty understanding your comments > of the last few days. As one who has worked in the access tech field for > years, you certainly know why access tech for the blind costs more than the > technology used by sighted folks. And as one who has been through an NFB > rehab center, you know all about alternative techniques. For a sighted > person, mobility equals a car. Blind folks have to find other ways to get > around. Thus there is no reason why a PDA for the blind has to look or act > like a sighted person's PDA, as long as it gets the job done. If you > really want to emulate a sighted person that bad, then you know which > device to get. If your concern is getting your work done in an efficient > and blind friendly environment, then you know which device to get. > Personally, I have a PC at home, and one at work. I use my note taker when > I am mobil. it is not necessary that my note taker resemble my computer, > or a sighted person's PDA for that matter. I have seen demonstrations of > how you can instantly transfer data between the Packmate and a sighted > person's PDA, and have even been told that guys and girls can exchange > phone numbers this way, but in my 54 years on this earth, no girl has yet > asked me to beam her my phone number, and my wife wouldn't let it happen > anyway. (SMILE)! > > Andy > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From fiberglasscane@entermail.net Fri Oct 24 18:13:02 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACuFx-00057E-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:13:02 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvtnt-2-81.dialup.enter.net [216.193.146.183]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901F6CC539 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:18:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031024051837.901F6CC539@smtp.enter.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:13:02 -0000 Hi Terri, On a regular PC, isn't the asterisk the shift key plus the comma? If so, than what is this keystroke on a qt keyboard, and why did PDI make them different? I don't use the shift numbers very much except for 1, 9, and 0, but isn't 8 the dollar sign or something? Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: "Terri Pannett" Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille >For people using QT keyboards, the star sign is a shift 8. >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From alanm@abq.com Fri Oct 24 18:45:03 2003 Received: from mail.abq.com ([204.252.57.241] helo=mercury.abq.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACukx-0006Wa-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:45:03 +1300 Received: from mattison (unverified [204.252.57.86]) by mercury.abq.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:54:27 -0600 From: "B. Alan Mattison" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:43:37 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c399f1$c633fdd0$5639fccc@mattison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Braillenote] Error while establishing keysync X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: alanm@abq.com, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:45:04 -0000 Hello to the list and everybody at support. Having listened to the manual, I tried to set up keysinc. I've established the connection between my computer and my BrailleNote via comm2. ActiveSync came up as usual, and I let it sync my files there. I have tried leaving activesync on, and turning it off, but every time I activate the sync item from the utilities menu, it tells me that the virtual circuit has been reset by the remote side. Can somebody help? From JonathanM@pulsedata.com Fri Oct 24 19:04:00 2003 Received: from 203-79-71-98.adsl.paradise.net.nz ([203.79.71.98] helo=hal.pulsedata.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACv3H-0007Pu-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:03:59 +1300 In-Reply-To: <00ff01c399db$dec13f40$837e94d1@teri> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers To: Braillenote List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002 Message-ID: From: JonathanM@pulsedata.com Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:03:49 +1300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 24/10/2003 19:03:52 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:04:00 -0000 Terry, drivers are indeed necessary for Window-eyes, but GW Micro use 32 bit synthesiser drivers which allows them to continue to support the synthesisers they did under 9x. JAWS used the 16-bit SSIL drivers for a number of synthesisers under 9x, and Freedom Scientific has not changed their drivers to 32-bit for a number of synthesisers, including Keynote/BrailleNote, meaning that JAWS is the only major screen reader that BRAILLENote cannot currently work with as a synthesiser. Jonathan Mosen BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager Pulse Data International Ltd DDI: +64-3-373-6192 Fax: +64-3-384 4933 Mobile: +64-21 466 736 Email: JonathanM@pulsedata.com Internet: www.pulsedata.com From alanm@abq.com Fri Oct 24 19:28:47 2003 Received: from mail.abq.com ([204.252.57.241] helo=mercury.abq.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACvRH-0008OC-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:28:47 +1300 Received: from mattison (unverified [204.252.57.39]) by mercury.abq.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:38:30 -0600 From: "B. Alan Mattison" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Exiting keysoft. Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:27:40 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c399f7$ed8f7700$2739fccc@mattison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801c399cf$722408b0$e172fea9@computername> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: alanm@abq.com, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:28:48 -0000 Window-Eyes works perfectly well with the BN. I think that at one time Jaws had a driver for the BN, but I can only say that it currently works with WE. Look in the terminal command for Braille support, or the remote command to use the BN's synth as a voice for WE. -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 19:38 To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Exiting keysoft. Hi, In this way, it would be possible to run a screen reader instead of relying only on the output functions of KeySoft. Then other screen readers such as JAWS Window-Eyes or perhaps others could be developed. Thus allowing other applications to be utilized by the BN. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Jordan" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:30 PM Subject: re: [Braillenote] Exiting keysoft. > OK, could someone please explain how exiting KeySoft would help? I am confused. I mean, just what would it do for BN users? > Jane > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From alanm@abq.com Fri Oct 24 19:28:52 2003 Received: from mail.abq.com ([204.252.57.241] helo=mercury.abq.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACvRL-0008OQ-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:28:51 +1300 Received: from mattison (unverified [204.252.57.39]) by mercury.abq.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.202) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:38:31 -0600 From: "B. Alan Mattison" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:27:40 -0600 Message-ID: <000101c399f7$ee497830$2739fccc@mattison> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00ff01c399db$dec13f40$837e94d1@teri> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: alanm@abq.com, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:28:52 -0000 Terry, I'm using my BN under XP and WE right now. The problem may be that you don't have the comm port number set right, that you have ActiveSync running at the same time, or that you haven't disabled the fifo buffer for that comm port. HTH -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Terri Pannett Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 21:07 To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Why doesn't Keynote SA work with Windows XP? Is it because Windows XP doesn't work with the synthesizer or is it the fault of the screen reader being used? People on this list have said the BN can't be used as a synth with JAWS but it can be used with WindowEyes. I tried twice to use my VN as a synth with WE and I couldn't get it to work. I figured it had to do with this "Desktalk" I am using, but could Windows XP be the culprit? Is anyone using their VN or BN as a synth with Windows XP and WindowEyes? Why couldn't PDI come out with something Windows XP would like? Presently, one is supposed to be able to set up WE's synthesizer option to "Keynote SA" and the VN is supposed to work. No drivers are necessary. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From steve@comproom.co.uk Fri Oct 24 19:53:20 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACvp1-0001FC-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:53:20 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 33-md50000000003.tmp for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:53:18 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024074956.02cfd550@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:53:14 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: In-Reply-To: <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> <6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk> <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40EE2880; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:53:18 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:53:21 -0000 Terri, Thank you for this. I already know these commands, but it still very much smacks of DOS and doesn't allow you to explore efficiently, if you don't remember the complete file structures, or if you have deep paths, such as /manuals/window-eyes manual, etc. You should be able to go into a folder, see all the folders at the top, and the files below the folders, as you can in Windows. It is just inefficient, as are the block commands for example. To have to go to a menu to perform block commands is rediculous. Selection should be done like Windows as well. But I won't go on any more. All the best At 01:17 24/10/2003, Terri Pannett spake these words of wisdom >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Dear Steve, > >I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but if you have a QT keyboard >and you know the name of the subfolder, you can type /foldername and get to >a list of files in that folder. > >I agree Keysoft should be structured like Windows Explorer so that you can >see a folder has subfolders in it and hit right arrow to see what they are. > >To get to subfolders within a folder, press control t on a QT keyboard. (I >wish I had a list of the BT keyboard commands so I could give the >equivalents.) > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 Telephone mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@comproom.co.uk Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -- For a company brochure, send an empty message to Info@comproom.co.uk To subscribe, and get regular updates, please send a message to listserv@comproom.co.uk. Just put the word "subscribe updates" without the quotes in the body of the message. To join the tutorials list, where we discuss Brian Hartgen's tutorials, please do exactly as above, but in the body of the message, put the words "subscribe tutorials", again, without the quotes. From steve@comproom.co.uk Fri Oct 24 19:57:49 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACvtM-0001Nq-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:57:48 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 35-md50000000003.tmp for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:57:07 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024075359.04025bc0@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:57:03 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: In-Reply-To: References: <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40EE2880; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:57:07 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:57:49 -0000 At 01:33 24/10/2003, Shane Jackson spake these words of wisdom >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello, all. Wow! I found the following just by playng around with my BN. >Maybe this can prove useful to someone, since >you are all having trouble with control t. On my unit, which is a BT >keyboard, when I am on a folder and want to see its sub- >folders, all I do is hit dots 5 6 with space, and the directory structure >comes right up on the display. I would assume you >could do this with the right-arrow, but I didn't try it when I had my QT >keyboard. I hope this information is helpful to someone. Again, I knew about this, but then if you press ente, the dots 5-6 with space again, you don't get the subfolders of that folder. Nor do you get the folders in any structured order. It just doesn't cut the mustard. All the best From steve@comproom.co.uk Fri Oct 24 20:03:24 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACvym-0001oC-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:03:24 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 37-md50000000003.tmp for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:02:23 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024080122.02cd6e20@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:02:21 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? In-Reply-To: <012401c399de$80426450$837e94d1@teri> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031023074947.04394950@mail.comproom.co.uk> <012401c399de$80426450$837e94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40EE2880; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:02:23 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:03:24 -0000 Hi Terri, But at the end of the day, you have seen neither the Braillino, nor the Communicator, so take a look at it before you decide. That's all I am saying. This list isn't about the Braillino, so I won't expand any further here, I merely answered the question as to what it is. All the best At 04:25 24/10/2003, Terri Pannett spake these words of wisdom >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >But the Braillino is simply a braille display with 4 megs of scratchpad >memory! Yes, it will work with the Nokia Communicator, but the Communicator >has all of the notetaker functions and the idea of paying $795 plus another >$3,,00 or so for the Braillino cranks the price to what a person would have >to pay for a BN 18! Besides, would people really like the keyboard of the >Communicator? It's a cell phone keyboard isn't it? If that's the case, it >doesn't resemble either a standard QT keyboard or a BN QT's keyboard and it >isn't as large as the BN's keyboard is it? Although I haven't seen the >Communicator, I have seen the so-called "qt" keyboard on a Nokia 3300 or >3360, and I didn't like it at all! > >No, I don't think the Communicator Talks Braillino combo will ever be as >popular as the BN! > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 Telephone mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@comproom.co.uk Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -- For a company brochure, send an empty message to Info@comproom.co.uk To subscribe, and get regular updates, please send a message to listserv@comproom.co.uk. Just put the word "subscribe updates" without the quotes in the body of the message. To join the tutorials list, where we discuss Brian Hartgen's tutorials, please do exactly as above, but in the body of the message, put the words "subscribe tutorials", again, without the quotes. From steve@comproom.co.uk Fri Oct 24 20:04:31 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACvzr-0001rc-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:04:31 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 39-md50000000003.tmp for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:04:09 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024080308.02cfe6b0@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:04:05 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? In-Reply-To: <016401c399e0$35a7cfa0$837e94d1@teri> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031023074947.04394950@mail.comproom.co.uk> <001d01c39961$093c73a0$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> <016401c399e0$35a7cfa0$837e94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40EE2880; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:04:09 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:04:31 -0000 Hi Terri, You don't need those features in the Braillino, because the communicator has most of them. And the calendar in the communicator is far better than that of the BN. All the best At 04:37 24/10/2003, Terri Pannett spake these words of wisdom >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >The Braillino is a 20-cell braille display manufactured by Handy Tech and >sold at Beyond sight. It has 4 megs of memory called a "scratchpad." It >doesn't have any of the features of the BN, no calendar, browser, email, >calculator, etc. > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 Telephone mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@comproom.co.uk Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -- For a company brochure, send an empty message to Info@comproom.co.uk To subscribe, and get regular updates, please send a message to listserv@comproom.co.uk. Just put the word "subscribe updates" without the quotes in the body of the message. To join the tutorials list, where we discuss Brian Hartgen's tutorials, please do exactly as above, but in the body of the message, put the words "subscribe tutorials", again, without the quotes. From steve@comproom.co.uk Fri Oct 24 20:06:45 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACw20-0001vr-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:06:44 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 41-md50000000003.tmp for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:43 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024080450.02cfcc10@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:40 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: In-Reply-To: <017701c399e1$61e2ca10$837e94d1@teri> References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> <6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk> <002a01c398e6$3a994890$e172fea9@computername> <6.0.0.22.2.20031022225334.0379a830@mail.comproom.co.uk> <16279.52984.905895.568607@akp@eznet.net> <017701c399e1$61e2ca10$837e94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-40EE2880; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:05:43 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:06:45 -0000 Hi Terri, I, too, love the wildcard feature, I just don't like the way you explore on the BN. All the best eAt 04:46 24/10/2003, Terri Pannett spake these words of wisdom >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I still have my old PC with DOS 6.0, WP 5.1 and DBT for DOS. I don't use it >very often, but I'm not parting with DOS until I'm very sure my Windows PC >will "cut the mustard." To commercial folks, DOS is dead, but as long as >someone is still using it, DOS is still alive. > >Besides, my Windows XP must have some DOS in it because there is a command >utility where a person can issue DOS commands. > >One feature of the BN's file manager which I like better than Windows >Explorer is the ability to select multiple files using the wildcard symbols. >I have just learned how to select multiple files using Windows, and boy, >it's a pain in the neck! PDI, keep the wild card feature! > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 Telephone mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@comproom.co.uk Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -- For a company brochure, send an empty message to Info@comproom.co.uk To subscribe, and get regular updates, please send a message to listserv@comproom.co.uk. Just put the word "subscribe updates" without the quotes in the body of the message. To join the tutorials list, where we discuss Brian Hartgen's tutorials, please do exactly as above, but in the body of the message, put the words "subscribe tutorials", again, without the quotes. From meearls@one.net Fri Oct 24 23:43:13 2003 Received: from smtp.nuvox.net ([64.89.70.9] helo=smtp01.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACzPU-0002on-00 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:43:13 +1300 Received: from ibmzzgjcio75de (ztown3-1-42.adsl.one.net [216.23.34.42]) by smtp01.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9OAh2cj007760 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:43:04 -0400 Message-ID: <00af01c39a1b$9885b5c0$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> From: "Mary Ellen Earls" To: "Braillenote List" References: <006101c39828$03609180$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><6.0.0.22.2.20031022222549.030179d0@mail.comproom.co.uk> <00f001c399c4$317e33e0$e87e94d1@teri> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:43:00 -0400 Organization: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mary Ellen Earls , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:43:14 -0000 Oh thank you so much for that command! I have the upgrade on my Braillenote but have never been able to install it because I have never been able to find it. You just made my day! Mary Ellen Earls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: > Dear Steve, > > I don't know what type of keyboard you have, but if you have a QT keyboard > and you know the name of the subfolder, you can type /foldername and get to > a list of files in that folder. > > I agree Keysoft should be structured like Windows Explorer so that you can > see a folder has subfolders in it and hit right arrow to see what they are. > > To get to subfolders within a folder, press control t on a QT keyboard. (I > wish I had a list of the BT keyboard commands so I could give the > equivalents.) > > Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, > California > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From RVanDerWalt@justice.gov.za Sat Oct 25 00:11:52 2003 Received: from nosgp1.x-link.za.net ([163.195.192.12] helo=nosgp1.openet.gov.za) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ACzrC-000469-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:11:51 +1300 Received: from [10.131.33.250] (helo=ptaexchange.justice.gov.za) by nosgp1.openet.gov.za with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ACzr8-000DBJ-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:11:46 +0200 Received: by ptaexchange.old.justice.gov.za with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:17:48 +0200 Message-ID: From: Riana Van Der Walt To: 'Braillenote List' Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Star sign in brailleand on pc Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:06:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:11:52 -0000 Laura, On a regular pc shift and comma is the less than sign, star sign is shift+8 and the dollar is shift with 4. Regards Riana -----Original Message----- From: Laura Wolk [mailto:"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:19 AM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille Hi Terri, On a regular PC, isn't the asterisk the shift key plus the comma? If so, than what is this keystroke on a qt keyboard, and why did PDI make them different? I don't use the shift numbers very much except for 1, 9, and 0, but isn't 8 the dollar sign or something? Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: "Terri Pannett" Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille >For people using QT keyboards, the star sign is a shift 8. >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote "Privileged / Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to e-mail messages of this kind. 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From trlange@pacbell.net Sat Oct 25 02:14:44 2003 Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com ([66.163.168.188]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1AD1m7-0000do-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:14:43 +1300 Received: from adsl-63-206-136-57.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (HELO dell4100) (trlange@pacbell.net@63.206.136.57 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 13:14:41 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c39a32$51d8a260$6401a8c0@dell4100> From: "Tom Lange" To: "Braillenote List" References: <012901c399de$a76724d0$837e94d1@teri> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 06:25:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:14:44 -0000 No speculation here... We need a change of subject line. How about it? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: > The asterisk is two in signs joined together. > > Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, > California > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From nickdotson@cox.net Sat Oct 25 02:26:17 2003 Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD1xI-00017d-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:26:17 +1300 Received: from NICK2 ([68.106.130.242]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031024132614.DOOO17750.lakemtao02.cox.net@NICK2>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:26:14 -0400 From: "W. Nick Dotson" To: "Braillenote List" , "Lisa Kozlik" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:29:28 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <006e01c399d0$3a1974e0$25f4fea9@4puz9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Message-Id: <20031024132614.DOOO17750.lakemtao02.cox.net@NICK2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "W. Nick Dotson" , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:26:17 -0000 Basically, you've hit upon the key to the problem, given there's enough money in the state/district/local yes, and even specific Counselor's budget. Truth is, while the primary purpose of VR programs is to get "legally blind" folks employed, preventative strategies tend to get the first nod. That is, if one can close a case by visual restoration, be it aides, or surgery, that's more important in getting a person back into the tax paying stream, than the longer-term process of habilitation in the congenitally blind client's situation, or "Rehabilitation" in the case of Advantitiously blinded individuals. Both are longer-term processes, with statistically suspect outcomes. A counselor often has a quota of Status 26, (successfully employed for 6-months) to maintain ir increase Federal Matching Funds, and frankly, it's easier and cheaper and faster to do restoritive surgery or glasses, or to get a Partially Sighted person employed in some entry-level job than spend money on a congenitally blind total, when unemployment among legally blind adults is at 85%. The person who can write, or have "ghost written" a justification, or the person in an agency our a vendor, who can do that for a Counselor, is more likely to get the "aid or appliance". (grin) When I worked for FL DBS, Rehab Teacher for Adult Blind, 1978-85, I wrote justifications for Counselors all over the state for devices such as the LED 120, Etc. which was $16,000 in 1978 dollars, a lot of bread then, but the end-user has been a tax payer making good bread ever since... Since then, I've helped a lot of people write justifications. Perhaps, if anyone is interested, I could dig up some old justification letters for specific pieces of gear as models. Nick On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0500, Lisa Kozlik wrote: >Anita, >What rehab will and won't pay for varies from state to state and from >counselor to counselor. I was fortunate enough to have VR purchase my >BrailleNote 32. In making this request, I wrote a letter explaining why the >BN would serve my needs better than any other notetaker available on the >market. I also received a letter of support from several staff members at my >university. >Perhaps you might try compiling the same information. As you probably >already know, when you're dealing with VR, the best thing to do is to give >them all of the information you can...and then some. While this won't >guarantee funding approval, it will get you one step closer to justifying >your case. >Lisa K. >"To achieve the possible, you must attempt the impossible. To be the best >you can be, you must dream of being more." >-- Anonymous >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From leverclinic@blueyonder.co.uk Sat Oct 25 02:33:21 2003 Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk ([195.188.213.7]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD248-0001Yb-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:33:20 +1300 Received: from cb9s40j.blueyonder.co.uk ([82.35.140.101]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:33:18 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024143116.027ef9e0@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk> X-Sender: dv015d2931@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:36:31 +0100 To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com From: Deon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Oct 2003 13:33:18.0051 (UTC) FILETIME=[6258EB30:01C39A33] Subject: [Braillenote] BrailleNote Daisy Reader X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:21 -0000 Hello Listers I sent an email regarding this to Maurice (mailbox full) and general enquiries at PulseData.com: BrailleNote now offers MP3. Many textbooks for students and professionals are being produced in Daisy Audio format. Same for leisure topics. These books can be read on a dedicated player, the PC with Daisy software or downloaded to portable devices such as Book Port from American Printing House for the Blind. Is PulseData looking into the possibility of providing a Daisy Reader on the BrailleNote? Not only would it save on purchasing yet another device but it will be one less device to log around. Deon. From nickdotson@cox.net Sat Oct 25 02:39:46 2003 Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net ([68.1.17.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD2AL-0001xk-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:39:45 +1300 Received: from NICK2 ([68.106.130.242]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031024133943.BMPZ7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@NICK2>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:39:43 -0400 From: "W. Nick Dotson" To: "Braillenote List" , "Lisa Kozlik" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:43:03 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <001101c399e0$59c96240$25f4fea9@4puz9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Message-Id: <20031024133943.BMPZ7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@NICK2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "W. Nick Dotson" , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:39:46 -0000 Excelent! As I type I have a find in progress, looking for a justification that was successfully used to get someone a BrailleNote, which I ghost wrote, so that that person could put all of the amunition into her counselor's hands. It is a good idea to attach a spec sheet and price list to the letter of justification, with local dealer's name, address, and phone number to decrease as much as possible strain on overworked and often burned out counselors. If you want it, you'll do whatever is necessary to smooth the path. However, remember that, tools which belong to you--are self-funded, can't be taken away. If there is some way you can show participation and sacrifice, such as picking up the cost of maintenance agreement or part thereof, by putting asside $5 or $10 per month, that spirit helps too... Nick On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:38:54 -0500, Lisa Kozlik wrote: >Hi Anita, >Here are the steps I tookin requesting a BrailleNote from VR... >1. I wrote a letter which outlined the various features of the BrailleNote >and how each of them would help me attain my educational and employment >goals. For example, I explained how the BN would allow me to do such things >as access campus computers, use e-mail in order to communicate with my >professors in a timely manner, create, edit and print out class assignments, >resaearch projects and exams, keep track of appointments and other important >information using the BN's planner and addressbook. >2. I asked the staff in the disability office at my university to write a >letter explaining how the BrailleNote would help me in my classes -- as well >as my future job search upon graduation. The primary use for the BN was for >Braille captioning, but other examples such as the ones I listed above were >also cited in order to make a stronger case. >3. I had the opportunity to use a demo of the BrailleNote for about two >weeks. During this time, I wrote down my observations (both pros and cons) >about the BrailleNote and how its functionality would serve my needs better >than that of the competition. I also visited my VR counselor and >demonstrated how it worked. In doing this, my counselor was able to get a >hands on look at the equipment and to see how easy it was to use. >4. Finally, I had my local dealer call my VR counselor to compare and >contrast the BN to the competition and explan why the BrailleNote was the >best choice for my needs. >I hope these suggestions help get you started. Don't let your counselor get >away with brushing you off just because you already have a notetaker. >Although it's a fine piece of equipment, the BNS 640 is *severely* outdated >and thus will not give you the powerful features found in the BrailleNote. >Lisa >"Assumptions allow the best in life to pass you by." >-- John Sales >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From nickdotson@cox.net Sat Oct 25 02:49:47 2003 Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net ([68.1.17.241]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD2K2-00025r-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:49:47 +1300 Received: from NICK2 ([68.106.130.242]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031024134945.CYCS5790.lakemtao04.cox.net@NICK2> for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:49:45 -0400 From: "W. Nick Dotson" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:53:09 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <20031024051837.901F6CC539@smtp.enter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille Message-Id: <20031024134945.CYCS5790.lakemtao04.cox.net@NICK2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: "W. Nick Dotson" , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:49:47 -0000 On a regular "qwerty" keyboard, the "shift-," has always generated a "<" (less than) sign. Going back to typewriters, asterisk "*" has always been shift of "8". Nick On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:18:37 -0400 (EDT), Laura Wolk wrote: >Hi Terri, >On a regular PC, isn't the asterisk the shift key plus the comma? If so, than what is this keystroke on a qt keyboard, and why did PDI make them different? I don't use the shift numbers very much except for 1, 9, and 0, but isn't 8 the dollar sign or something? Laura >"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >>------ original message ------ >>from: "Terri Pannett" >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille >>For people using QT keyboards, the star sign is a shift 8. >>Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >>California >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From judyw@austin.rr.com Sat Oct 25 02:52:57 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com ([24.93.36.230]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD2N6-0002BH-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 02:52:56 +1300 Received: from judy (cs6625130-51.austin.rr.com [66.25.130.51]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with SMTP id h9ODqqmN029806; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:52:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200310241352.h9ODqqmN029806@ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com> X-Sender: judyw@pop-server.austin.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:49:40 -0500 To: "W. Nick Dotson" , Braillenote List From: judy Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille In-Reply-To: <20031024134945.CYCS5790.lakemtao04.cox.net@NICK2> References: <20031024051837.901F6CC539@smtp.enter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:52:57 -0000 Dollar sign is shift 4 Judy At 08:53 AM 10/24/03 -0500, you wrote: >On a regular "qwerty" keyboard, the "shift-," has always generated a "<" (less than) sign. Going back to typewriters, >asterisk "*" has always been shift of "8". > >Nick > >On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 01:18:37 -0400 (EDT), Laura Wolk wrote: > >>Hi Terri, > >>On a regular PC, isn't the asterisk the shift key plus the comma? If so, than what is this keystroke on a qt keyboard, >and why did PDI make them different? I don't use the shift numbers very much except for 1, 9, and 0, but isn't 8 the >dollar sign or something? Laura > > >>"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio >Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) > > > >>>------ original message ------ >>>from: "Terri Pannett" >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille > >>>For people using QT keyboards, the star sign is a shift 8. > >>>Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >>>California > > >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From klueders@wiscraft.com Sat Oct 25 03:57:46 2003 Received: from crwads.com ([207.250.175.4] helo=wiscraft.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD3Np-00054h-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:57:46 +1300 Received: from asdfasdfas [209.176.221.75] by wiscraft.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.03) id ADDB4A10030; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:57:31 -0500 From: "kathy lueders" To: , "Braillenote List" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:55:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <000101c399f7$ee497830$2739fccc@mattison> Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:57:46 -0000 Hi Listers, B Alan was suggesting disabling the fifo buffer of the comport to make ActiveSync work on the BrailleNote with XP and Window-Eyes. How does one disable the fifo buffer of a comport? I ask because I can run ActiveSync very well at work where I am running Windows 98. However, at home, I am running Window-Eyes 4.5, Windows XP, and the BrailleNote. I cannot get Active Sync to work. I don't remember seeing an error message; but I never connect. Kathleen G. Lueders Work: klueders@wiscraft.com Home: kgl8048@earthlink.net From fiberglasscane@entermail.net Sat Oct 25 04:28:53 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD3rw-0006N2-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:28:53 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvtnt-2-103.dialup.enter.net [216.193.146.205]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA58CC7FD for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:34:29 -0400 (EDT) To: Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Star sign in brailleand on pc MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031024153429.ADA58CC7FD@smtp.enter.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:34:29 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:28:54 -0000 lol. I'm sorry, I was DEFINITELY thinking of my Franklin keyboard lol. since I don't believe I've ever used the asterisk on a regular computer. Thanks Riana, Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: Riana Van Der Walt Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Star sign in brailleand on pc >Laura, >On a regular pc shift and comma is the less than sign, star sign is shift+8 >and the dollar is shift with 4. >Regards >Riana >y-----Original Message----- >From: Laura Wolk [mailto:"fiberglasscane@entermail.net"@smtp.enter.net] >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:19 AM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille >Hi Terri, >On a regular PC, isn't the asterisk the shift key plus the comma? If so, >than what is this keystroke on a qt keyboard, and why did PDI make them >different? I don't use the shift numbers very much except for 1, 9, and 0, >but isn't 8 the dollar sign or something? Laura >"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." >(George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >>------ original message ------ >>from: "Terri Pannett" >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Star sign in braille >>For people using QT keyboards, the star sign is a shift 8. >>Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >>California >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >"Privileged / Confidential information may be contained in this message. >If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible >for the delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or >deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this >message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail. Please advise >immediately if you or your employer do not consent to e-mail messages >of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this >message that do not relate to official business of the Department of >Justice and Constitutional Development shall be understood as neither >given nor endorsed by it. All views expressed herein are the views of >the author and do not reflect the views of the Department of Justice >unless specifically stated otherwise." >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From kenn6498@kutztown.edu Sat Oct 25 04:42:45 2003 Received: from kutztown.edu ([156.12.1.115] helo=v880.kutztown.edu) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD45M-0007Dt-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:42:45 +1300 Received: from conversion-daemon.v880.kutztown.edu by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) id <0HN900101Q8BI2@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from D8BTMH11 (user-144-143.kutztown.edu [156.12.144.143]) by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HN900MSIQB5F4@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:42:38 -0400 From: Josh Kennedy To: Braillenote List Message-id: <000501c39a45$73b3ccd0$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [Braillenote] network card X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:42:45 -0000 Hi, What kind of network card do I need to use the braillenote on the LAN here at school? I'm looking for an eethernet card for the braillenote/voicenote. Josh From wayne.merritt@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 05:15:37 2003 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD4bA-0000As-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:15:37 +1300 Received: from 1cust184.tnt31.dfw9.da.uu.net ([67.234.14.184] helo=S0029604335) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD4b6-0004mX-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:15:33 -0700 Message-ID: <004f01c39a4a$0355adf0$b80eea43@S0029604335> From: "Wayne Merritt" To: "Braillenote List" References: <002501c398f2$b6a57470$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] mobile device, pocket pcs, and PDAs Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:57:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Wayne Merritt , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:15:38 -0000 Hi. I really haven't been following this thread too much lately, due to the high volume and low time I have. But I did think it significant to answer your question, which hopefully I'm not repeating what someone has said already. The reason in part why there aren't many links on a page designed for a mobile device than other web pages, is because sighted people are finding out just how hard it is, and how cumbersome it is, to wait for a page with lots of links. And they want something smaller and more convenient. How's that for a strange twist in the web computing world? Wayne www.wayneism.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kennedy" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: [Braillenote] mobile device, pocket pcs, and PDAs > Hi, > > On some websites they have a mobile device or PDA option. I clicked the link > on my desktop with windows xp machine here and it gave me a page with what I > believe to be significantly less links and fewer pictures. Why is this? Are > there a lot of websites with the PDA or mobile option out there? > I just noticed this and wondered that since our braille notes are basically > pocket pcs with keysoft if the mobile links on websites would help us out. > > Is pocket pc a relatively new thing? > > Josh > > Josh > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From gunn@tznet.com Sat Oct 25 05:20:35 2003 Received: from mail.tznet.com ([66.170.64.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD4fy-0000HU-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:20:34 +1300 Received: from webmail.tznet.com (aries.tznet.com [66.170.64.254]) by mail.tznet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9OGKAeQ047209 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:20:10 -0500 (CDT) X-WebMail-UserID: gunn Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:20:10 -0500 Sender: gunn From: gunn To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002832, 00003425 Subject: RE: [Braillenote] Voice Note QT thoughts and a question Message-ID: <3F98492D@webmail.tznet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 T-Net: Virus Check - Found to be clean X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:20:36 -0000 Hello Terri: You are correct on the hard line enteries but when deleting, I just used the block command which was easier than deleting each line. Thank you for your reply and I actually read the manual to figure it out and hopefully didn't miss anything. smile >===== Original Message From "Terri Pannett" ===== >Hi, > >You may have added some hard line breaks on one of the days in your >calendar. To get rid of those line breaks, go to the day on which you saw >them and delete them by pressing control with comma. > >I'll never forget how excited I was when I received my VN QT! That was over >2 years ago. Have fun! > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From jack728@comcast.net Sat Oct 25 05:28:13 2003 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD4nM-0000Ol-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:28:12 +1300 Received: from laptop_pc (pcp03397680pcs.tsclos01.al.comcast.net[68.38.46.39]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003102416280901600qu2eee>; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:28:09 +0000 From: "Shane Jackson" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:22:52 -0500 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <20031024025245.7C4CBCC646@smtp.enter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:28:13 -0000 Hey there, Laura. I'm not really sure. Everytime I go into a folder, regardless of whether I've used it or not, I seemed to get the sub-folder structure. Hmmm. You may be right, though. Maybe I've just used all the folders on my flash card and don't remember when I did so. Thanks for the clarification. Shane Jackson Tuscaloosa, AL, USA. "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16 From tinabir@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 05:37:02 2003 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD4vt-00019l-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:37:01 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-005caburbp0434.dialsprint.net ([63.184.41.180] helo=BrailleNote) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD4vo-0002up-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:36:57 -0700 To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com From: tina birenbaum MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:36:57 -0700 Subject: [Braillenote] FW: Palmtop Computers X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:37:03 -0000 just thought this might interest somebody. ---- Original Message ------ From: "Darren Harris" ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:04:07 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-005caburbp0434.dialsprint.net ([63.184.41.180] helo=BrailleNote) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD5M3-0002nq-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:05 -0700 To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com, maul@mts.net From: tina birenbaum MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:04:05 -0700 Cc: Subject: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:04:08 -0000 Hi. I also have a hearing loss and find the speech in the braille note very easy to understand. I mostly use the disslay which I love, but speech works when I need it to. I love to read so like being able to carry lots of books electronically and absolutely love being able to use my cell phone to go online anywhere, in fact I like it too much since most of my minutes were used for doing that last month. I also find it the bn, very easy to use. I was online in a couple days and found the trasition from my braille lite to bn very smooth. Anyway, just my thoughts. I also suggested pdi consider a vibrate in the alarm option which I think could benifit anyone not just users who don't hear well. Of course the units can and should imprzve, but for what I need the braille note works well. From tinabir@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 06:10:59 2003 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD5Sl-0002Xx-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:10:59 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-005caburbp0434.dialsprint.net ([63.184.41.180] helo=BrailleNote) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD5Si-0004nj-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:10:57 -0700 To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com From: tina birenbaum Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something elsmaul@mts.net MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:10:57 -0700 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:11:00 -0000 ---- Original Message ------ Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something elsmaul@mts.net Sara I have a hearing loss too and find speech on my bn pretty easy although i wish icd change inflection to be more eloquence, but as for speech i dont mind it. absolutely love the braille! and i love reading so am very glad to not have to lug books anymore and i like the 1-8and mode which no one else has that i know of and i love being able to connect anywhere via my cell phone in fact i like ar that too much since most of my minutes went there last month! >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sara" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 09:01:30 -0500 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? >Do you find the keynote speech easy to understand? >I am hearing impaired too. >I am interested in talking to fellow hearing impaired persons about their >use of the BN because I am still making that hard decision of which >notetaker to try to get. >Sincerely, >Sara >Windows Messenger (Add me to your contacts list.): >blackcat@blackcatbbs.com >(If you are wondering, my BBS is not public yet. I am not sure if it will >ever be.) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "richard" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:47 AM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? >> The braille display is what I like about the bn. >> As a hearing impaired person, I found it useful when I was teaching in my >church. >> For me, trying to hear what the class is saying while at the same time >trying to listen to my notes in speech would be very hard. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Sara" >>To: "Braillenote List" >>Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:01:03 -0500 >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? >>>I'd rather put a pocket screen-reader on a BN. >>>I mean, a sighted PDA doesn't have a braille display. >>>Sara >>>Windows Messenger (Add me to your contacts list.): >>>blackcat@blackcatbbs.com >>>(If you are wondering, my BBS is not public yet. I am not sure if it >will >>>ever be.) >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Josh Kennedy" >>To: "Braillenote List" >>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:04 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? >>>> yeah, keysoft is a great windows overlay, but it'd be nice to be able >to >>>> access windows ce directly. >>>> or hey! what about putting pocket jaws on a sighted person's pocket pc? >>>> Josh >>>> ___ >>>> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>> braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>>> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>> http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >>>___ >>>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>>braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From honesty@otelco.net Sat Oct 25 06:46:33 2003 Received: from smtp2.america.net ([199.170.121.150]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD61B-0004ZN-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:46:33 +1300 Received: from [66.0.60.186] (helo=lynd) by smtp2.america.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1AD611-0004KZ-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: <007f01c39a56$b9e3e0d0$ba3c0042@lynd> From: "Mary Kay Lynd" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:46:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:46:34 -0000 I also have a major hearing loss and find the BN speech easy to understand. Mary Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "tina birenbaum" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss > Hi. I also have a hearing loss and find the speech in the braille note very easy to understand. I mostly use the disslay which I love, but speech works when I need it to. I love to read so like being able to carry lots of books electronically and absolutely love being able to use my cell phone to go online anywhere, in fact I like it too much since most of my minutes were used for doing that last month. I also find it the bn, very easy to use. I was online in a couple days and found the trasition from my braille lite to bn very smooth. Anyway, just my thoughts. I also suggested pdi consider a vibrate in the alarm option which I think could benifit anyone not just users who don't hear well. Of course the units can and should imprzve, but for what I need the braille note works well. > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From pann1@sonic.net Sat Oct 25 06:50:22 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD64r-0004g0-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:50:21 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-124-61.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.61]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9OHoHue023888 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:50:17 -0700 Message-ID: <005a01c39a57$481f50f0$3d7c94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007901c397bb$d35b4b40$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de><003301c397d9$dad47540$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11><002001c397df$50b61fc0$800101df@Palooza.Local><002d01c397fb$18966200$ae53fea9@default><01d801c397ff$a80af190$724b8751@oemb97d30ddbzd><015001c39991$d1900490$9e7c94d1@teri><003101c39997$0c520880$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov><000f01c399bb$da582650$800101df@nu7i> <3.0.3.32.20031023212329.007d3d50@pop3.concentric.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:50:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:50:22 -0000 Dear Andy, I have bought adaptive equipment and paid for it myself because I'm not elligible for help from VR. I took it all off as a medical expense from my income tax. I have an Enrolled Agent who does my taxes and she's a crackerjack tax person. So I don't see anything wrong with taking the BN or any other adaptive piece of equipment off as a medical expense. I'll accept whatever deductions I'm entitled to. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Sat Oct 25 07:02:39 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD6Gk-0005TM-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:02:39 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-124-61.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.61]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9OI2Zue027406 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:02:35 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c39a59$001440c0$3d7c94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs><02c501c3999d$21be2310$9e7c94d1@teri><3.0.3.32.20031023211311.007b5970@pop3.concentric.net> <00c801c399ed$6ffb87c0$800101df@nu7i> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:02:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:02:39 -0000 The BN/VN has never had terminal emulation. I have suggested many times PDI should add it. They had Keyterm in the Keynote Companions. But they chose to get Keyweb going. I have a hunch the demand for a web browser outranked the demand for a terminal emulator. I wonder if someone on this list could comment on whether or not the competition gives out loaners for its notetakers. If they don't, then PDI is simply going along with adaptive technology vendors policies of not loaning notetakers. I'm not saying I agree with such a policy, I'm just saying if the competition has the same policy as PDI, then a person buying their notetakers would be in the same boat as those who buy BNs. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From tinabir@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 07:12:36 2003 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD6QN-0005uW-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:12:36 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-005caburbp0309.dialsprint.net ([63.184.41.55] helo=abc) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD6QL-0004JY-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:12:33 -0700 Message-ID: <00e601c39a58$6933ae20$c741b83f@abc> From: "Tina Birenbaum" To: "Braillenote List" References: <00bb01c399c1$3a4f9de0$c701a8c0@pain> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:18:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:12:36 -0000 Solar would be interesting especiially if you live in a place like arizona where we alesys have sun. mayb this would be a good option for a battery pack or something to use on the go if the bn starts needing a charge and the charger isn't with you. tina and santa the cute 80 pound marshmallow MSN santamarshmallow@hhotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruby" To: "'Braillenote List'" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Yes, for the price the bn should of had a battery pack one could change. A bit more thinking could of gone in to the design. A while back pdi asked everyone to write in their suggestions on what they would like to see in the bn and there was a lot of good ideas. My only hope is that some of those ideas and more will come to play soon in the bn with out to much of a cost involved for the upgrades. It is hard to afford things in a limited nitch market unless you are tide to an organization or other means of grat/financual help. I think one of them solar chargers would be great unless you were on the subway underground or enjoying a cloudy day. Get your own Voice Conferencing Room http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=397&a=p&r=0 Jim Ruby On-Line Access Technology Trainer jim@blindsea.com Blind Sea http://www.blindsea.com (651) 385-0702 -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Terri Pannett Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:25 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Dear Lisa, The idea of a portable charger sounds nice. I suppose it would be battery-operated, too? ne thing most people would like is a battery pack people could change themselves. The Keynote Companions had one. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Sat Oct 25 07:13:47 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD6RX-0005xx-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:13:47 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-125-141.arc16.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.125.141]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9OIDfEL031897; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:13:42 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c39a5a$8da48750$8d7d94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: , "Braillenote List" References: <000101c399f7$ee497830$2739fccc@mattison> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:13:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:13:48 -0000 Dear Alan and All, I connected my VN to my Pc and went through the steps of making it be the synthesizer. Today, it worked beautifully. Why it didn't do so before, I don't know. I'm just glad I can say I was wrong--the VN/BN can be used as a synthesizer with WindowEyes. My next question is: what dictiionary does it use, the WindowEyes dictionary or the one in the VN/BN? I didn't remember my original synth mispronuncing braillenote, but the VN certainly does. I changed it in the WE dictionary, so it sounds fine now. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From pann1@sonic.net Sat Oct 25 07:22:40 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD6a7-00066J-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:22:39 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-125-141.arc16.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.125.141]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9OIMQue000691 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c39a5b$c64e5670$8d7d94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031023074947.04394950@mail.comproom.co.uk><012401c399de$80426450$837e94d1@teri> <6.0.0.22.2.20031024080122.02cd6e20@mail.comproom.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:22:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:22:40 -0000 In this case, I don't need to look at either the Communicator or the Braillino to know that I wouldn't want to buy it. My point was, the Braillino is not a true notetaker and as a stand-alone machine it cannot do as many things as the BrailleNote. The Communicator has notetaking features, but I believe people would prefer the BN because all of the notetaker functions and the braille display are in the same unit. That means just one thing to carry around, not two. That's another reason why I believe the Communicator/Braillino combo will never be as popular as the BN. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From lisak70@ticon.net Sat Oct 25 07:25:09 2003 Received: from mx04.ticon.net ([66.181.128.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1AD6cW-0006UQ-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:25:09 +1300 Received: (qmail 12491 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2003 18:25:06 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx04.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 1.133388 secs); 24 Oct 2003 18:25:06 -0000 Received: from d004.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.136.228) by mx04.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 18:25:05 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c39a5d$436da100$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007f01c39a56$b9e3e0d0$ba3c0042@lynd> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:25:09 -0000 I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the volume level. For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI (direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that I could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the volume to a level that I can hear. Lisa "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life worthwhile." -- Joshua J. Marine From tinabir@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 07:47:44 2003 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD6yO-0007Lt-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:47:44 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-011caburbp0275.dialsprint.net ([63.184.105.21] helo=abc) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD6yM-0005iI-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:47:42 -0700 Message-ID: <00fc01c39a5d$523ef6c0$c741b83f@abc> From: "Tina Birenbaum" To: "Braillenote List" References: <001201c399c6$dc276710$e172fea9@computername> <004701c399e6$1ef3fc60$800101df@nu7i> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:32:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: [Braillenote] finding web pages for mobile devices X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:47:45 -0000 Where do you find these pages? I rarely ever see a mobile option unless it is on a news site. Is there a way to find a link for them? Maybe the bn would have less snag problems if we tried the mobile options? tina and santa the cute 80 pound marshmallow MSN santamarshmallow@hhotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries > Hi Dan, > > I know PDI has a hardware maintenance agreement for the BN. I didn't > purchase it with mine for two reasons: > > 1. > It is very expensive. > 2. > The cost was not justifiable because Pulse Data doesn't have any sort of > advance-exchange RMA program. > > Quite frankly, that's the big reason why I'm not going for the upgrade at > this point; I just can't afford to be without my BN for two weeks. I > purchased a piece of technology to depend on to get my work done, not a toy > I can do without for awhile!!! > > > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! > A+, CCNA, Network+! > Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: "BrailleNote List" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:36 PM > Subject: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries > > > > Hi, > > What about this for an idea, or something like it. > > In the us, we have companies such as Batteries Plus. These companies can > > replace batteries in devices that have to be taken apart and a procedure > > must be followed to change the batteries. > > What if PDI were to contract with some of these companies so that we could > > get our batteries replaced without having to be without the unit for an > > extended period of time. > > If a unit isn't in warranty, why not just provide the instructions for > > replacing the batteries for those of us who wish to do it ourselves. > > Just something else for all of us to discuss and hopefully PDI might take > it > > seriously. > > > > Dan > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From john@chessplayer.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 25 07:54:50 2003 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD75F-0007mR-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:54:50 +1300 Received: from chessplayer.demon.co.uk ([80.177.28.241] helo=oemcomputer.chessplayer.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AD75C-000I6E-0V for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:54:46 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024195003.02839750@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: chessplayer/pop3.demon.co.uk@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:53:49 +0100 To: new list From: John Gallagher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Braillenote] can someone help X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:54:50 -0000 Hi all, on Wednesday I was using my gps as I was tuning in Mansfield in the uk. the next time I used the gps on Thursday I could not get the braille note to recognise the receiver. I tried all the resets and re-installed the software. I also put in new batteries as well. Before I post my gps magellan back to pdi I am going to a computer fair in Rothwell where I live on Sunday and I hope to purchase the lead that goes in to the gps receiver. I wonder if anyon of you know's the name of the lead. I think there must be a fault with my leed as someone on the train looked at the screen on the gps receiver and could see things on it. Also when you press the bottom left button you can hear the buzzing so the light comes on. thanks in advance. From maul@mts.net Sat Oct 25 07:56:17 2003 Received: from smtp2.mts.net ([205.200.16.113]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD76e-0007po-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:56:17 +1300 Received: from ricardo (wnpgmb01dc6-res-43-190.mts.net [142.161.43.190]) by smtp2.mts.net (8.12.8-20030918/8.11.3) with SMTP id h9OIuB2Y005118 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:56:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001801c39a60$7d276ea0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> From: "Sara" To: References: <007f01c39a56$b9e3e0d0$ba3c0042@lynd> <001d01c39a5d$436da100$25f4fea9@4puz9> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:56:17 -0000 Please tell me if plugging in your hearing aid works because I was thinking about getting one of those things to plug my hearing aid into earphone jacks! I cannot see why it wouldn't work, but then again, I really don't know. Thanks to all the hearing impaired people for telling me about the clarity of the speech. Is the braille display nice and clear, and how often to dots always stay up or not come up at all? I hate braille displays when the dots do not behave. You lot are very helpful, thank you. Sara Windows Messenger (Add me to your contacts list.): blackcat@blackcatbbs.com (If you are wondering, my BBS is not public yet. I am not sure if it will ever be.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss > I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech > if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use > speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and > because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the > volume level. > > For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive > listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI > (direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that I > could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. > > I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the > volume to a level that I can hear. > > Lisa > > "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes > life worthwhile." > -- Joshua J. Marine > > > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From john@chessplayer.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 25 07:57:54 2003 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD78E-0007te-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:57:54 +1300 Received: from chessplayer.demon.co.uk ([80.177.28.241] helo=oemcomputer.chessplayer.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AD78C-000IMj-0V for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:57:52 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024195602.028078f0@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: chessplayer/pop3.demon.co.uk@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:56:59 +0100 To: new list From: John Gallagher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Braillenote] gps X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:57:54 -0000 Hi all I forgot to say a bit earlier I used the braille note with my pc using the braille terminal so it's not the port on the braille note thats faulty. From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 07:58:05 2003 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD78O-0007v4-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:58:05 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD78L-0007lJ-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:58:01 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" , "Lisa Kozlik" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:58:13 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <001d01c39a5d$436da100$25f4fea9@4puz9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Message-Id: Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:58:05 -0000 Lisa, I almost never use the speech output of the bn and usually forget it's even there. I do have the microlink fm system and did plug the direct input cable into the earphone jack of the bn. It works quite well actually, and the speech is really quite clear. This is going to vary from person to person and system to system, but it definitely does work and is worth trying. The bn has mono output through the headphone jack, but the actual jack is stereo, so any earphone with a stereo plug on the end will work, and this also would hold true for a patch chord such as with an ald. Don On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:03 -0500, Lisa Kozlik wrote: I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the volume level. For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI (direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that I could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the volume to a level that I can hear. Lisa "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life worthwhile." -- Joshua J. Marine ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From aeveret1@ec.rr.com Sat Oct 25 08:02:39 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03-lbl.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.102] helo=ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD7Co-0008MA-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:02:38 +1300 Received: from d2t3c6 (cpe-024-211-220-214.ec.rr.com [24.211.220.214]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9OJ2Whf013432; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c39a62$08e05d20$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> From: "Anita" To: "W. Nick Dotson" , "Braillenote List" References: <20031024132614.DOOO17750.lakemtao02.cox.net@NICK2> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:07:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:02:39 -0000 Yes, I'd be interested in reading those letters. Do you all think that Rehab councillors for the most part, would like there clients to purchase whatever assistive technology they so desire, and wil only help in situations where its extremely crucial? Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "W. Nick Dotson" To: "Braillenote List" ; "Lisa Kozlik" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Basically, you've hit upon the key to the problem, given there's enough money in the state/district/local yes, and even > specific Counselor's budget. Truth is, while the primary purpose of VR programs is to get "legally blind" folks employed, > preventative strategies tend to get the first nod. That is, if one can close a case by visual restoration, be it aides, or > surgery, that's more important in getting a person back into the tax paying stream, than the longer-term process of > habilitation in the congenitally blind client's situation, or "Rehabilitation" in the case of Advantitiously blinded individuals. > Both are longer-term processes, with statistically suspect outcomes. A counselor often has a quota of Status 26, > (successfully employed for 6-months) to maintain ir increase Federal Matching Funds, and frankly, it's easier and cheaper > and faster to do restoritive surgery or glasses, or to get a Partially Sighted person employed in some entry-level job than > spend money on a congenitally blind total, when unemployment among legally blind adults is at 85%. > > The person who can write, or have "ghost written" a justification, or the person in an agency our a vendor, who can do > that for a Counselor, is more likely to get the "aid or appliance". (grin) When I worked for FL DBS, Rehab Teacher for > Adult Blind, 1978-85, I wrote justifications for Counselors all over the state for devices such as the LED 120, Etc. which > was $16,000 in 1978 dollars, a lot of bread then, but the end-user has been a tax payer making good bread ever since... > Since then, I've helped a lot of people write justifications. Perhaps, if anyone is interested, I could dig up some old > justification letters for specific pieces of gear as models. > > Nick > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0500, Lisa Kozlik wrote: > > >Anita, > > >What rehab will and won't pay for varies from state to state and from > >counselor to counselor. I was fortunate enough to have VR purchase my > >BrailleNote 32. In making this request, I wrote a letter explaining why the > >BN would serve my needs better than any other notetaker available on the > >market. I also received a letter of support from several staff members at my > >university. > > >Perhaps you might try compiling the same information. As you probably > >already know, when you're dealing with VR, the best thing to do is to give > >them all of the information you can...and then some. While this won't > >guarantee funding approval, it will get you one step closer to justifying > >your case. > > >Lisa K. > > >"To achieve the possible, you must attempt the impossible. To be the best > >you can be, you must dream of being more." > >-- Anonymous > > > >___ > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 08:04:04 2003 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD7EC-0008Pj-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:04:04 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD7EA-0001Vn-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:02 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:04:13 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <001801c39a60$7d276ea0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:04:04 -0000 Sara, The braille display on the braillenote is quite reliable and the braille is excellent in my opinion. Anything mechanical such as a braille display can always have problems, but I've found the bn display to be very reliable. Don On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:54:36 -0500, Sara wrote: Please tell me if plugging in your hearing aid works because I was thinking about getting one of those things to plug my hearing aid into earphone jacks! I cannot see why it wouldn't work, but then again, I really don't know. Thanks to all the hearing impaired people for telling me about the clarity of the speech. Is the braille display nice and clear, and how often to dots always stay up or not come up at all? I hate braille displays when the dots do not behave. You lot are very helpful, thank you. Sara Windows Messenger (Add me to your contacts list.): blackcat@blackcatbbs.com (If you are wondering, my BBS is not public yet. I am not sure if it will ever be.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss > I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech > if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use > speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and > because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the > volume level. > For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive > listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI > (direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that > could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. > I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the > volume to a level that I can hear. > Lisa > "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes > life worthwhile." > -- Joshua J. Marine > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From lisak70@ticon.net Sat Oct 25 08:30:01 2003 Received: from mx04.ticon.net ([66.181.128.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1AD7dJ-0001FD-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:30:01 +1300 Received: (qmail 8830 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2003 19:29:58 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx04.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 1.270152 secs); 24 Oct 2003 19:29:58 -0000 Received: from d004.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.136.228) by mx04.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 19:29:57 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c39a66$5369f320$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007f01c39a56$b9e3e0d0$ba3c0042@lynd><001d01c39a5d$436da100$25f4fea9@4puz9> <001801c39a60$7d276ea0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:37:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:30:02 -0000 Sara, Simply put, the Braille display is wonderful! The dots are crisp and very easy to read. In my opinion, it's one of the best Braille displays I've ever used. If you decide to get a BrailleNote or VoiceNote with a Braille display, believe me -- you won't be disappointed! Lisa "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life worthwhile." -- Joshua J. Marine From lisak70@ticon.net Sat Oct 25 08:37:06 2003 Received: from mx04.ticon.net ([66.181.128.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1AD7kA-0001Og-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:37:06 +1300 Received: (qmail 11630 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2003 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx04.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 0.712676 secs); 24 Oct 2003 19:37:04 -0000 Received: from d004.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.136.228) by mx04.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 19:37:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c39a67$514521e0$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Don Bishop" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 14:45:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:37:07 -0000 Hi Don, I'm glad to know that using a DAI cord will work. I'm going to try that today. I know I'll be able to get the clarity I need...that's one advantage a direct audio input connection has over headphones. Thanks for your reply! Lisa "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life worthwhile." -- Joshua J. Marine From meearls@one.net Sat Oct 25 08:39:44 2003 Received: from smtp.nuvox.net ([64.89.70.9] helo=smtp02.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD7mh-0001m9-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:39:43 +1300 Received: from ibmzzgjcio75de (ztown3-1-42.adsl.one.net [216.23.34.42]) by smtp02.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9OJdYgc031967 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c39a66$8bebe460$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> From: "Mary Ellen Earls" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:39:31 -0400 Organization: none MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] What's a direct audio connection? X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mary Ellen Earls , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:39:44 -0000 Hi! What is a dirrect audio connection? How does it differ from head phones? Mary Ellen Earls From kenn6498@kutztown.edu Sat Oct 25 08:40:23 2003 Received: from kutztown.edu ([156.12.1.115] helo=v880.kutztown.edu) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD7nK-0001qD-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:40:23 +1300 Received: from conversion-daemon.v880.kutztown.edu by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) id <0HNA005010ZDX5@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from D8BTMH11 (user-144-143.kutztown.edu [156.12.144.143]) by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HNA00MVP1B8F4@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:40:17 -0400 From: Josh Kennedy To: Braillenote List Message-id: <000501c39a66$a70218a0$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [Braillenote] ethernet card X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:40:23 -0000 Hi, I looked on amazon.com for an ethernet card and they said they're out of stock or don't ship anymore. Where on the internet can I get an ethernet card for the braille note? Josh From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 08:52:15 2003 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD7yp-00023G-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:52:15 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD7yn-0005Bj-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:13 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:24 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024195003.02839750@pop3.norton.antivirus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] can someone help Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:52:16 -0000 Hi, You sound like you're pretty familiar with the gps, so you've probably already done this, but I'm suggesting it just in case. In the gps options, be sure you have it set for the correct receiver. Sounds like you've done everything else right. I don't know what the cable is called or a model number, but I believe it is a part of the receiver package so if they sell gps receivers, you may just be able to locate one. Also, if they don't sell them separately there, maybe you could talk someone into letting you borrow one for a few minutes to test out your receiver to see if the cable really is the problem. Don On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:53:49 +0100, John Gallagher wrote: Hi all, on Wednesday I was using my gps as I was tuning in Mansfield in the uk. the next time I used the gps on Thursday I could not get the braille note to recognise the receiver. I tried all the resets and re-installed the software. I also put in new batteries as well. Before I post my gps magellan back to pdi I am going to a computer fair in Rothwell where I live on Sunday and I hope to purchase the lead that goes in to the gps receiver. I wonder if anyon of you know's the name of the lead. I think there must be a fault with my leed as someone on the train looked at the screen on the gps receiver and could see things on it. Also when you press the bottom left button you can hear the buzzing so the light comes on. thanks in advance. ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From akp@eznet.net Sat Oct 25 08:52:33 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.153]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD7z6-00023b-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:52:32 +1300 Received: from akp.selfhost.com (roc-66-67-58-28.rochester.rr.com [66.67.58.28]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9OJqS38020877 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28658 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Oct 2003 19:52:29 -0000 From: Ann Parsons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16281.33533.461459.548717@akp@eznet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:52:29 -0400 To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Pure Speculation: In-Reply-To: References: <20031024025245.7C4CBCC646@smtp.enter.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 20.7.2 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:52:33 -0000 Hi all, Is the below a fact, or is it "pure speculation"? Confused in Rochester, >>>>> "Shane" == Shane Jackson writes: Shane> Hey there, Laura. I'm not really sure. Everytime I go Shane> into a folder, regardless of whether I've used it or not, I Shane> seemed to get the sub-folder structure. Hmmm. You may be Shane> right, though. Maybe I've just used all the folders on my Shane> flash card and don't remember when I did so. Thanks for Shane> the clarification. Shane> Shane Jackson Tuscaloosa, AL, USA. "Let us therefore come Shane> boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, Shane> and find grace to help in time of need." Hebrews 4:16 Shane> ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to Shane> braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list Shane> archives or change your preferences, visit Shane> http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT From lisak70@ticon.net Sat Oct 25 08:53:54 2003 Received: from mx04.ticon.net ([66.181.128.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1AD80P-0002TT-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:53:54 +1300 Received: (qmail 19275 invoked by uid 0); 24 Oct 2003 19:53:51 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx04.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 1.433555 secs); 24 Oct 2003 19:53:51 -0000 Received: from d004.max6-3.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.136.228) by mx04.ticon.net with SMTP; 24 Oct 2003 19:53:50 -0000 Message-ID: <002c01c39a69$a96332c0$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Mary Ellen Earls" , "Braillenote List" References: <004c01c39a66$8bebe460$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] What's a direct audio connection? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:01:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:53:54 -0000 Mary, A direct audio input connection is used by hearing aid wearers. It allows them to hear auditory devices (such as a TV, stereo, speech synthesizer, etc.) at higher volume levels without experiencing distortion. Headphones have a limited output level and if this level is exceeded, the hearing impaired user will experience distortion due to the higher than normal volume setting. To use direct audio input, a hearing aid wearer plugs in a cord (referred to as a DAI cord) from the bottom of their hearing aid(s) into the device they want to hear. Lisa "Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life worthwhile." -- Joshua J. Marine From kenn6498@kutztown.edu Sat Oct 25 08:54:43 2003 Received: from kutztown.edu ([156.12.1.115] helo=v880.kutztown.edu) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD81D-0002Wl-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:54:43 +1300 Received: from conversion-daemon.v880.kutztown.edu by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) id <0HNA007011FY1P@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from D8BTMH11 (user-144-143.kutztown.edu [156.12.144.143]) by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HNA007CI1Z432@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:54:38 -0400 From: Josh Kennedy To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com Message-id: <000801c39a68$a80bae80$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Subject: [Braillenote] finding webpages for mobile devices X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:54:43 -0000 go to www.weatherunderground.com for an example. Josh From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 08:56:52 2003 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD83I-0002b1-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:56:52 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AD83G-0006YO-00; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:56:51 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" , "Mary Ellen Earls" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:57:02 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <004c01c39a66$8bebe460$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] What's a direct audio connection? Message-Id: Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:56:52 -0000 A direct audio connection is one where you use a patch cord to run the output, in this case the output of the braillenote, directly into another device as opposed to just picking up the speech output by placing a microphone near the bn speaker. This direct connection pipes the sound directly into the hearingaid system which gets rid of room echo and also provides more clear audio than just by trying to pick up speech output with the regular hearingaid microphones. Don On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:39:31 -0400, Mary Ellen Earls wrote: Hi! What is a dirrect audio connection? How does it differ from head phones? Mary Ellen Earls ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From JonathanM@pulsedata.com Sat Oct 25 09:00:25 2003 Received: from 203-79-71-98.adsl.paradise.net.nz ([203.79.71.98] helo=hal.pulsedata.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD86j-0002gh-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:00:25 +1300 In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024143116.027ef9e0@pop3.blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] BrailleNote Daisy Reader To: Braillenote List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0 September 26, 2002 Message-ID: From: JonathanM@pulsedata.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:00:16 +1300 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on HAL/PULSEDATA/NZ(Release 6.0.1|February 07, 2003) at 25/10/2003 09:00:18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:00:26 -0000 Hi Deon. Yes, a DAISY player is on our list of suggestions for future consideration. Jonathan Mosen BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager Pulse Data International Ltd DDI: +64-3-373-6192 Fax: +64-3-384 4933 Mobile: +64-21 466 736 Email: JonathanM@pulsedata.com Internet: www.pulsedata.com From wq6r@concentric.net Sat Oct 25 09:04:17 2003 Received: from uhura.concentric.net ([206.173.118.93]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD8AT-00036Z-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:04:17 +1300 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id h9OK4DP23978 ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Errors-To: Received: from glawl208132dep1 (206.111.26.33.ptr.us.xo.net [206.111.26.33]) by marconi.concentric.net ([Concentric SMTP 1.3]) id QAA14694; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <019101c39a69$db0d9590$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov> From: "Andy Baracco" To: "Mary Ellen Earls" , "Braillenote List" References: <004c01c39a66$8bebe460$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] What's a direct audio connection? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:03:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:04:18 -0000 I have never heard it called that, but you probably are referring to something like a line out jack. The headphone jack has an attenuator to keep your eardrums from being shattered. The line out jack puts out the full audio volume. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Earls" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: [Braillenote] What's a direct audio connection? Hi! What is a dirrect audio connection? How does it differ from head phones? Mary Ellen Earls ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From sylvameg@talk21.com Sat Oct 25 09:53:42 2003 Received: from [194.73.242.6] (helo=wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD8wH-0005IM-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:53:42 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote ([62.7.130.221]) by wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20031024205334.HPN29414.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@BrailleNote> for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:53:34 +0100 To: Bnl From: Sylvia Grimes MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031024205334.HPN29414.wmpmta04-app.mail-store.com@BrailleNote> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:53:34 +0100 Subject: [Braillenote] for sara and others with severe hearing loss X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:53:43 -0000 I use a neck loop which is plugged into the braille note unit, and the speech comes through with such clarity, , so what with that and the braille display, it is a great unit to have! SO go for it. From bluesbob@libcom.com Sat Oct 25 10:11:50 2003 Received: from mailer ([205.138.18.93] helo=web2.libcom.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD9Do-0006F6-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:11:49 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (pitts-69-72-15-101.libcom-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.15.101]) by web2.libcom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9OLBe2s023346 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:11:43 -0400 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:11:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200310242111.h9OLBe2s023346@web2.libcom.com> To: Braillenote List From: bob mates Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:11:50 -0000 Well, I'm another guy with a hearing loss. Though I mostly use the Braille display, the speech is fine, as opposed to my old BLT2000, on which the speech was so bad, I hardly used it, except when editing. The only thing I wish the BN would do a bit better, is embossing documents. Outside of that, it's wonderful! Bob and Maxy-wax From raincrow@vvm.com Sat Oct 25 10:24:53 2003 Received: from mx3.vvm.com ([66.196.0.15]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD9QS-0006l1-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:24:52 +1300 Received: from customer (66-196-9-109.vvm.com [66.196.9.109]) by mx3.vvm.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id h9OLOjXK015368 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:24:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c39a75$87436d20$6d09c442@customer> From: "Crystal French" To: "Braille Note" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:26:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-VArrive-Time: 1067030687.910 Precedence: first-class X-Vintorg: mx3.vvm.com Subject: [Braillenote] Media Player bug? X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:24:53 -0000 Hi, After I first installed Keysoft version 5, I could not get my Voice Note to recognize the Media Player. After two, or three resets, everything went right, and I assumed it was just a hiccup from the installation. However, this quirk seems to persist, from time to time. If I press "M" for Media Player, I get the error tone. If I down arrow through the Main Menu to Media Player, and press "Enter," I get the error tone. If I press function+S and cycle through to the Media Player, it kicks me back to the Main Menu. All other programs are accessible, and it takes a reset to get the Media Player to open. Is this a bug, or my own VN problem? Crystal From kenn6498@kutztown.edu Sat Oct 25 10:27:56 2003 Received: from kutztown.edu ([156.12.1.115] helo=v880.kutztown.edu) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD9TQ-0006qG-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:27:56 +1300 Received: from conversion-daemon.v880.kutztown.edu by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) id <0HNA00I016ABXY@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from D8BTMH11 (user-144-143.kutztown.edu [156.12.144.143]) by v880.kutztown.edu (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with SMTP id <0HNA007DG6AI32@v880.kutztown.edu> for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:27:50 -0400 From: Josh Kennedy To: Braillenote List Message-id: <000901c39a75$ad4e0b10$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [Braillenote] from digest to normal X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:27:56 -0000 Hi, Can someone write me offlist at kenn6498@kutztown.edu and tell me how to change my subscription from digest to normal? Josh From meearls@one.net Sat Oct 25 10:55:43 2003 Received: from smtp.nuvox.net ([64.89.70.9] helo=smtp02.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1AD9uI-0008AZ-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:55:43 +1300 Received: from ibmzzgjcio75de (ztown3-1-42.adsl.one.net [216.23.34.42]) by smtp02.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9OLtWgc024238 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c39a79$8a057680$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> From: "Mary Ellen Earls" To: "Braillenote List" References: <000801c39a68$a80bae80$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] finding webpages for mobile devices Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 17:55:28 -0400 Organization: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mary Ellen Earls , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:55:43 -0000 Boy I went to the www.weatherunderground.com and had one horrible time getting round it. Mary Ellen Earls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kennedy" To: Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: [Braillenote] finding webpages for mobile devices > go to > www.weatherunderground.com for an example. > > Josh > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From maul@mts.net Sat Oct 25 12:03:59 2003 Received: from smtp2.mts.net ([205.200.16.113]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADAyM-0002iJ-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:03:58 +1300 Received: from ricardo (wnpgmb01dc6-res-43-190.mts.net [142.161.43.190]) by smtp2.mts.net (8.12.8-20030918/8.11.3) with SMTP id h9ON3r2Y010332 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:03:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01c39a83$1744bd40$dbd8fea9@ricardo> From: "Sara" To: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:03:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] BN and cell phones and the planner. X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:03:59 -0000 How does the BN connect to a cell phone? Does it need an infrared port = or is there some sort of cable? The planner reminds you when you have appointments, right? Thanks. Sara Windows Messenger (Add me to your contacts list.): blackcat@blackcatbbs.com (If you are wondering, my BBS is not public yet. I am not sure if it = will ever be.) From jmwood777@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 12:30:35 2003 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADBO7-00040A-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:30:35 +1300 Received: from washdc3-ar5-4-35-124-140.washdc3.elnk.dsl.genuity.net ([4.35.124.140] helo=BrailleNote) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADBO4-0007Zr-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:30:33 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: jeanie wood Subject: re: [Braillenote] ethernet card MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:30:33 -0700 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:30:36 -0000 Hi Josh, I purchased my ethernet card from Socket Communications at wwwddsocketcomddcom. I have forgotten the model number and it isn't on my card. If you call the number listed on the web, they were very helpful and knew about braillenote. Hope this helps. Jeanie > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Josh Kennedy To: Braillenote List Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 15:40:17 -0400 >Subject: [Braillenote] ethernet card >Hi, >I looked on amazon.com for an ethernet card and they said they're out of >stock or don't ship anymore. Where on the internet can I get an ethernet >card for the braille note? >Josh >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Sat Oct 25 12:38:49 2003 Received: from eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.16.244]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADBW4-0004Ri-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:38:49 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-121-132.arc16.nas1.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.121.132]) by eth0.a.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9ONciEL009955; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: <003e01c39a87$f64c8be0$847994d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Lisa Kozlik" , "Braillenote List" References: <000901c39a67$514521e0$25f4fea9@4puz9> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:38:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cc: Subject: [Braillenote] earphone volume X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:38:49 -0000 Has PDI raised the volume in the earhone jack? I never liked having to crank up the volume when using earphones. Also, please explain how a hearing-impaired person gets audio without going through the earphone jack or the speaker. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From mikea@brick.net Sat Oct 25 12:50:15 2003 Received: from mail.brick.net ([209.74.143.13]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADBh8-0004cR-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:50:15 +1300 Received: from mikea (209-74-153-166.brick.net [209.74.153.166]) by mail.brick.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9ONoA9Q001120 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:50:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000e01c39a89$8a63cfe0$a6994ad1@brick.net> From: "Mike Arrigo" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:50:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:50:15 -0000 Actually do the dolphin products support the keynote in windows 2000 and windows xp? I suppose I could try it with my voice note at work, I don't use xp at home. However, these products used the keynote ssil driver, which of course does not work with these operating systems. As far as I know, there is not a separate sam driver for them. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers > > > > > Terry, drivers are indeed necessary for Window-eyes, but GW Micro use 32 > bit synthesiser drivers which allows them to continue to support the > synthesisers they did under 9x. JAWS used the 16-bit SSIL drivers for a > number of synthesisers under 9x, and Freedom Scientific has not changed > their drivers to 32-bit for a number of synthesisers, including > Keynote/BrailleNote, meaning that JAWS is the only major screen reader that > BRAILLENote cannot currently work with as a synthesiser. > Jonathan Mosen > BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager > Pulse Data International Ltd > > DDI: +64-3-373-6192 > Fax: +64-3-384 4933 > Mobile: +64-21 466 736 > Email: JonathanM@pulsedata.com > Internet: www.pulsedata.com > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 12:52:54 2003 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADBji-0004h3-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:52:54 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADBjb-00037f-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:52:47 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:52:59 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <003e01c39a87$f64c8be0$847994d1@teri> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] earphone volume Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:52:55 -0000 To get direct audio output from a braillenote, you do, infact, use the earphone jack on the bn. It's called the earphone jack because most of the time people use it to get voice output from the bn into their earphones. But, it really is just an output jack which can not only send audio out to earphones, but also out of the bn into a cable connected to some other device which receives the audio output. This could be a tape recorder, a larger amplifier/speaker setup to get better fidelity, a hearing aid, or almost any other such device which accepts audio input. The bn volume control still works to adjust the amount of audio going out of the jack to whatever device, earphones, hearingaids, or whatever that are connected via the patch cord. When you're doing this, it's best to start with a relatively low volume on the braillenote and then gradually increase it up to the level you want. This is certainly important when using earphones as too loud a volume could at the very least be uncomfortable to the user and could conceivably cause at least temporary hearing damage. If you are using direct audio output from the bn feeding into a hearing aid system, the hearing aids will probably protect you from this loud noise, but a lower volume level also greatly reduces the amount of distortion a user will hear, so starting with a low volume level is really a good idea in all cases until you know exactly where you need to set the volume level for the results you want. Somehow, it seems that this whole issue has gotten far more complicated than it really is! Hope this makes some sense and possibly clears up the situation. Don On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:38:42 -0700, Terri Pannett wrote: Has PDI raised the volume in the earhone jack? I never liked having to crank up the volume when using earphones. Also, please explain how a hearing-impaired person gets audio without going through the earphone jack or the speaker. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From mikea@brick.net Sat Oct 25 12:56:08 2003 Received: from mail.brick.net ([209.74.143.13]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADBmq-000561-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:56:08 +1300 Received: from mikea (209-74-153-166.brick.net [209.74.153.166]) by mail.brick.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9ONu49Q002958 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:56:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002301c39a8a$5d83f800$a6994ad1@brick.net> From: "Mike Arrigo" To: "Braillenote List" References: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: [Braillenote] upgrading my voice note X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:56:08 -0000 Hi all. I guess this message is mainly for the pulse data folks. I have a voice note running version 4.01 I think, it's the older motherboard, and is currently does not have the web browser. I was wondering what I would need to do to update it to version 5. DOes this require the new motherboard, or could I purchase the web browser, then upgrade to version 5? Any info would be appreciated. From cclose@zoominternet.net Sat Oct 25 13:12:00 2003 Received: from mail-3.zoominternet.net ([63.67.120.3]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADC2B-0005xi-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:12:00 +1300 Received: (qmail 1053 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 00:11:41 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-188-199.zoominternet.net (HELO mom.zoominternet.net) ([24.154.188.199]) (envelope-sender ) by mail-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Oct 2003 00:11:41 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031024200621.01f8eeb0@pop3.zoominternet.net> X-Sender: cclose@pop3.zoominternet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:11:52 -0400 To: Braillenote List From: Catherine Close Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? In-Reply-To: <02c501c3999d$21be2310$9e7c94d1@teri> References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:12:00 -0000 Hi. I agree that a notetaker doesn't need to be a PC. It would be nice to have all those things, but there are two things I reely a notetaker to do better than the one I now have at work. One is keepp up with my braille input, which I've discussed previously. The other is to be able to use word files quickly without a lot of aggravation. Coud some describe how Braillenote works with Word. Thanks. Cathy At 12:37 PM 10/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Rose, > >No, you're not strange. Notetakers are notetakers and should never be a >substitute for a PC or laptop. > >If I remember right, the man who started this thread wanted to know the >advantages of upgrading his BN versus the advantages of doing something >else. Since then, people have changed the thread into the debate about the >BN's abilities versus a sighted PDA. > >In the original thread, the man stated he needed more communications access >than the BN could do. > >I received the idea he needed it now, not in some future time. So I >suggested that he consider getting a LapTalk and keep his BN to use as a >braille display and notetaker. > >I still use my PC for email and surfing the web. Perhaps Keysoft 5 is >different, but I haven't been impressed with Keymail and I believed from >reading posts on the list that Keysoft 4.x, Keymail and Keyweb left >something to be desired. That's why I didn't upgrade. > >In the original thread, the man stated he didn't need GPS. Neither do I, >because I don't travel very much. So I can save the $600 or so bucks to buy >something else. > >Let's face it: notetakers will never replace PCs and the BN should not be >compared to sighted PDAs. We have some needs the sighted don't have. But >we need to be able to communicate with the sighted. The most practical way >is to make the best of both worlds: use the BN as a notetaker, braille >display, braille book reader and the other things it can do. Use the PC for >LAN or other needs the BN can't handle. > >Let's get back to the original question. The man thought he may have made a >mistake when he bought a BN. I said he didn't make a mistake, that the BN >is a very useful tool IN CONJUCTION WITHa PC. > >What's so bad about that? The BN can do more things than a regular braille >display, even the Braille Star and others by Handy Tech, which have the >"scratchpads." > >Come on, folks! Don't ask for so many unrealistic things of the BN. The >more you request, the more expensive it will become. > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From akp@eznet.net Sat Oct 25 13:31:18 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com ([24.92.226.148]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADCKr-0006X2-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:31:18 +1300 Received: from akp.selfhost.com (roc-66-67-58-28.rochester.rr.com [66.67.58.28]) by ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9P0VDG8002145 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32674 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Oct 2003 00:31:14 -0000 From: Ann Parsons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16281.50258.310895.295347@akp@eznet.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:31:14 -0400 To: Braillenote List Subject: [Braillenote] from digest to normal In-Reply-To: <000901c39a75$ad4e0b10$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> References: <000901c39a75$ad4e0b10$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 20.7.2 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:31:18 -0000 Hi all, There's a web site right on the bottom of the msg. Go there and check the radio buttom for normal mail. Ann P. -- Ann K. Parsons email: akp@eznet.net WEB SITE: http://home.eznet.net/~akp "All that is gold does not glitter. Not all those who wander are lost." JRRT From chrisg@acsu.buffalo.edu Sat Oct 25 13:35:17 2003 Received: from out005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.143] helo=out005.verizon.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADCOi-0006cy-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:35:16 +1300 Received: from your-o0kwkw9jwc ([141.149.249.163]) by out005.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031025003513.EVRI15786.out005.verizon.net@your-o0kwkw9jwc> for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:35:13 -0500 Message-ID: <200310242035260304.007FBDE7@outgoing.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <000e01c39a89$8a63cfe0$a6994ad1@brick.net> References: <000e01c39a89$8a63cfe0$a6994ad1@brick.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.01.1088 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:35:26 -0400 From: "Chris G" To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com Subject: Re[2]: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out005.verizon.net from [141.149.249.163] at Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:35:13 -0500 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:17 -0000 the dolphin products sure do support the keynote under xp. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/24/2003 at 6:50 PM Mike Arrigo wrote: >Actually do the dolphin products support the keynote in windows 2000 and >windows xp? I suppose I could try it with my voice note at work, I don't >use >xp at home. However, these products used the keynote ssil driver, which of >course does not work with these operating systems. As far as I know, there >is not a separate sam driver for them. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Braillenote List" >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:03 AM >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] drivers for BN and keynote synthesizers > > >> >> >> >> >> Terry, drivers are indeed necessary for Window-eyes, but GW Micro use 32 >> bit synthesiser drivers which allows them to continue to support the >> synthesisers they did under 9x. JAWS used the 16-bit SSIL drivers for a >> number of synthesisers under 9x, and Freedom Scientific has not changed >> their drivers to 32-bit for a number of synthesisers, including >> Keynote/BrailleNote, meaning that JAWS is the only major screen reader >that >> BRAILLENote cannot currently work with as a synthesiser. >> Jonathan Mosen >> BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager >> Pulse Data International Ltd >> >> DDI: +64-3-373-6192 >> Fax: +64-3-384 4933 >> Mobile: +64-21 466 736 >> Email: JonathanM@pulsedata.com >> Internet: www.pulsedata.com >> >> >> ___ >> To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >> braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >> To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >> http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >> >> > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From nu7i@azboss.net Sat Oct 25 14:30:16 2003 Received: from mail.azboss.net ([206.124.164.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADDFw-00017d-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:30:16 +1300 Received: from nu7i (lt.shandrow.com [206.124.184.78]) by mail.azboss.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h9P1NYe25410 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: <001f01c39a97$839539c0$800101df@nu7i> From: "Darrell Shandrow" To: "Braillenote List" References: <20031024132614.DOOO17750.lakemtao02.cox.net@NICK2> <001701c39a62$08e05d20$1302a8c0@ec.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:30:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:30:17 -0000 Hi Anita, It is always the policy of Vocational Rehabilitation to seek third-party funding first. If that's available, either from your own pocket or elsewhere, that funding will be required before VR will help. To some extent, this does make sense. The more important concern to me is whether the VR counselor really gets it and really has the best interests of the blind client in mind. If so, then the right decisions will be made. If not, then the process is adversarial, and then the blind client should fight to win. Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications! Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator! A+, CCNA, Network+! Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita" To: "W. Nick Dotson" ; "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Yes, I'd be interested in reading those letters. Do you all think that Rehab > councillors for the most part, would like there clients to purchase whatever > assistive technology they so desire, and wil only help in situations where > its extremely crucial? > Anita > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W. Nick Dotson" > To: "Braillenote List" ; "Lisa Kozlik" > > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > > > Basically, you've hit upon the key to the problem, given there's enough > money in the state/district/local yes, and even > > specific Counselor's budget. Truth is, while the primary purpose of VR > programs is to get "legally blind" folks employed, > > preventative strategies tend to get the first nod. That is, if one can > close a case by visual restoration, be it aides, or > > surgery, that's more important in getting a person back into the tax > paying stream, than the longer-term process of > > habilitation in the congenitally blind client's situation, or > "Rehabilitation" in the case of Advantitiously blinded individuals. > > Both are longer-term processes, with statistically suspect outcomes. A > counselor often has a quota of Status 26, > > (successfully employed for 6-months) to maintain ir increase Federal > Matching Funds, and frankly, it's easier and cheaper > > and faster to do restoritive surgery or glasses, or to get a Partially > Sighted person employed in some entry-level job than > > spend money on a congenitally blind total, when unemployment among legally > blind adults is at 85%. > > > > The person who can write, or have "ghost written" a justification, or the > person in an agency our a vendor, who can do > > that for a Counselor, is more likely to get the "aid or appliance". > (grin) When I worked for FL DBS, Rehab Teacher for > > Adult Blind, 1978-85, I wrote justifications for Counselors all over the > state for devices such as the LED 120, Etc. which > > was $16,000 in 1978 dollars, a lot of bread then, but the end-user has > been a tax payer making good bread ever since... > > Since then, I've helped a lot of people write justifications. Perhaps, if > anyone is interested, I could dig up some old > > justification letters for specific pieces of gear as models. > > > > Nick > > > > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 20:43:29 -0500, Lisa Kozlik wrote: > > > > >Anita, > > > > >What rehab will and won't pay for varies from state to state and from > > >counselor to counselor. I was fortunate enough to have VR purchase my > > >BrailleNote 32. In making this request, I wrote a letter explaining why > the > > >BN would serve my needs better than any other notetaker available on the > > >market. I also received a letter of support from several staff members at > my > > >university. > > > > >Perhaps you might try compiling the same information. As you probably > > >already know, when you're dealing with VR, the best thing to do is to > give > > >them all of the information you can...and then some. While this won't > > >guarantee funding approval, it will get you one step closer to justifying > > >your case. > > > > >Lisa K. > > > > >"To achieve the possible, you must attempt the impossible. To be the best > > >you can be, you must dream of being more." > > >-- Anonymous > > > > > > >___ > > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > > > ___ > > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From kellhart@bigzoo.net Sat Oct 25 16:10:59 2003 Received: from mail.news.bigzoo.net ([65.113.30.59] helo=mail.bigzoo.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADEpP-0005VL-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:10:59 +1300 Received: from i1l3f0 ([67.73.166.213]) by mail.bigzoo.net (BigZoo Mail server v5.0) with SMTP id JGC74314 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:10:54 -0700 Message-ID: <026401c39aa6$6898d140$4fa54943@i1l3f0> From: "Kellie Hartmann" To: "Braillenote List" References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs> <5.2.1.1.0.20031024200621.01f8eeb0@pop3.zoominternet.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:16:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:10:59 -0000 The BN can read rtf files. It cal also read doc files but not ones made by a version of Word later than 97, although I think you can cause word 2000 to make the older doc files. Also, I've never had trouble with the BN not being able to keep up with my input except in the web browser, which responds very slowly in edit fields. Kellie Hartmann From kellhart@bigzoo.net Sat Oct 25 16:13:32 2003 Received: from mail.news.bigzoo.net ([65.113.30.59] helo=mail.bigzoo.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADErr-0005Zj-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:13:31 +1300 Received: from i1l3f0 ([]) by mail.bigzoo.net (BigZoo Mail server v5.0) with SMTP id JGC74314 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: <026b01c39aa6$c3b56700$4fa54943@i1l3f0> From: "Kellie Hartmann" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007f01c39a56$b9e3e0d0$ba3c0042@lynd><001d01c39a5d$436da100$25f4fea9@4puz9> <001801c39a60$7d276ea0$dbd8fea9@ricardo> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:19:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:13:32 -0000 Hi Sarah. I have and my BN for two years now and have never once had a dot refuse to come up or one that stayed up when it wasn't supposed to. I use the display constantly and read zillions of books in the last couple years with it; and my reading speed is 200 words a minute or faster, so it has gotten plenty of use. Also, it's neat to hear that the speech works well for hearing impaired people. That's something I never thought about, and it's just kind of cool to know it works. Kellie Hartmann From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 16:14:21 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.115]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADEsf-0005ct-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:14:21 +1300 Received: (qmail 45373 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 03:14:18 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.12) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 03:14:18 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 03:14:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:14:14 -0700 Message-ID: <000201c39aa6$11e36630$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <007201c399a6$32c55580$b4367ad5@oemb97d30ddbzd> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:14:22 -0000 The cost is steep, especially if you are like me and now have two braille notes, but it became a necessity. First, after pricing several displays that I might be able to use at work it seems that I'd get the most bang for my buck by getting a second unit, and now, of course, the up side is that my original, a unit that has been used every day of its life with me since January 23, 2001 and was indispensable can now go for a much needed cleaning and upgrade, it is working just fine, but has never had these things done because I just could not have been without it for many days. In the end, since I wanted a braille display for my office computer and the organization I work for isn't willing to provide more than speech, we figured that getting a BN 32-cell was the best option, it is mine, I have paid for them both, once by using my Discover Card at an exorbitantant rate of interest and this time because my husband planned it into a home equity line of credit we are using to pay off other high-interest cards. Yes, the cost is high, but, to me it is the best thing going, more usable than a plain display would be. , I have no regrets about owing my soul to the technology store! Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Diane Fazackarley Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:43 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Hi Terri Thanks for the message I thought everyone was just ignoring my comments but I would not blame them. I feel calmer about it now. I love using my Braille note and would not really swap it I just felt a bit angry that it cost so much last year and then I have got another quite large amount of money to find to upgrade it. But as I said I have calmed down now...until the next time. Thanks again Regards Diane ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From cclose@zoominternet.net Sat Oct 25 16:44:57 2003 Received: from mail-3.zoominternet.net ([63.67.120.3]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADFMH-0006vU-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:44:57 +1300 Received: (qmail 31031 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 03:44:39 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-188-199.zoominternet.net (HELO mom.zoominternet.net) ([24.154.188.199]) (envelope-sender ) by mail-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Oct 2003 03:44:39 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031024234438.01f3e3e8@pop3.zoominternet.net> X-Sender: cclose@pop3.zoominternet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:44:48 -0400 To: Braillenote List From: Catherine Close Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? In-Reply-To: <026401c39aa6$6898d140$4fa54943@i1l3f0> References: <000501c39851$d2519240$20890d82@rosecombs> <5.2.1.1.0.20031024200621.01f8eeb0@pop3.zoominternet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:44:58 -0000 Thanks. Cathy At 10:16 PM 10/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >The BN can read rtf files. It cal also read doc files but not ones made by a >version of Word later than 97, although I think you can cause word 2000 to >make the older doc files. Also, I've never had trouble with the BN not being >able to keep up with my input except in the web browser, which responds very >slowly in edit fields. >Kellie Hartmann > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From cclose@zoominternet.net Sat Oct 25 16:53:17 2003 Received: from mail-3.zoominternet.net ([63.67.120.3]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADFUJ-0007CQ-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:53:16 +1300 Received: (qmail 31347 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 03:52:57 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-188-199.zoominternet.net (HELO mom.zoominternet.net) ([24.154.188.199]) (envelope-sender ) by mail-3.zoominternet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 25 Oct 2003 03:52:56 -0000 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20031024234607.01f0a788@pop3.zoominternet.net> X-Sender: cclose@pop3.zoominternet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:53:06 -0400 To: rosecombs@qwest.net,Braillenote List From: Catherine Close Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes In-Reply-To: <000201c39aa6$11e36630$20890d82@rosecombs> References: <007201c399a6$32c55580$b4367ad5@oemb97d30ddbzd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:53:17 -0000 Several days ago I asked if a voicenote could be used with another braille display. My purpose in asking was that I have an Alva Satellite purchased for my work by rehab, and I was wondering if I could use the two together. It wasn't meant to provoke the hostile response I got. After, there is a lot of difference in the price. I personally love using Braille, but was just checking all of the options. I missed my display so much that now I am bringing it home more often. Thanks. Cathy At 08:14 PM 10/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: >The cost is steep, especially if you are like me and now have two >braille notes, but it became a necessity. First, after pricing several >displays that I might be able to use at work it seems that I'd get the >most bang for my buck by getting a second unit, and now, of course, the >up side is that my original, a unit that has been used every day of its >life with me since January 23, 2001 and was indispensable can now go for >a much needed cleaning and upgrade, it is working just fine, but has >never had these things done because I just could not have been without >it for many days. > >In the end, since I wanted a braille display for my office computer and >the organization I work for isn't willing to provide more than speech, >we figured that getting a BN 32-cell was the best option, it is mine, I >have paid for them both, once by using my Discover Card at an >exorbitantant rate of interest and this time because my husband planned >it into a home equity line of credit we are using to pay off other >high-interest cards. > >Yes, the cost is high, but, to me it is the best thing going, more >usable than a plain display would be. > >, I have no regrets about owing my soul to the technology store! > > >Rose Combs >rosecombs@qwest.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com >[mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Diane >Fazackarley >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:43 PM >To: Braillenote List >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > > >Hi Terri > >Thanks for the message I thought everyone was just ignoring my comments >but I would not blame them. I feel calmer about it now. I love using my >Braille note and would not really swap it I just felt a bit angry that >it cost so much last year and then I have got another quite large amount >of money to find to upgrade it. But as I said I have calmed down >now...until the next time. > >Thanks again > > >Regards Diane > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 17:08:11 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.112]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADFik-0007vz-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:08:11 +1300 Received: (qmail 58750 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 04:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (63.231.195.15) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 04:08:05 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-15.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 04:08:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:07:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c39aad$939b6400$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001201c399c6$dc276710$e172fea9@computername> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:08:11 -0000 I don't know, I use my BN 18 lots, and even after more than 2-1/2 years I don't have battery problems, when I compared the voltage stated in the support with the new unit it close. I cannot complain about the battery, I get plenty of use on one charge unless for some reason I am reading with the speech, something I do when reading novels a lot, I do a calibration about once every four to six weeks and my only quirk is that very occasionally it tells me it is charged to 117%. Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:36 PM To: BrailleNote List Subject: [Braillenote] A Thought About Replaceable Batteries Hi, What about this for an idea, or something like it. In the us, we have companies such as Batteries Plus. These companies can replace batteries in devices that have to be taken apart and a procedure must be followed to change the batteries. What if PDI were to contract with some of these companies so that we could get our batteries replaced without having to be without the unit for an extended period of time. If a unit isn't in warranty, why not just provide the instructions for replacing the batteries for those of us who wish to do it ourselves. Just something else for all of us to discuss and hopefully PDI might take it seriously. Dan ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From gunn@tznet.com Sat Oct 25 17:12:01 2003 Received: from mail.tznet.com ([66.170.64.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADFmS-0008Hw-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:12:01 +1300 Received: from gunnwin (rapids-arc2-101.tznet.com [66.170.72.101]) by mail.tznet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h9P4BTeQ079602 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:11:34 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000c01c39aae$1088e5a0$6548aa42@gunnwin> From: "John Gunn" To: "Pulse Data" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:11:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 T-Net: Virus Check - Found to be clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] File maintenence X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:12:01 -0000 Hello: Well as I mentioned a couple of days ago I did receive the Voice Note = and honestly I love it more and more everyday, very impressed with it. I was able to get the browser working to night and at first glance, = pretty cool. I forgot to clear out history, and temporary internet = files while online and my question, I know I can do this online but is = there a folder where I can go through file manager or must it be done = under Internet options? Any help would be appreciated. John From taz8184@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 17:17:59 2003 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADFsE-0008NX-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:17:59 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-006neomahp0498.dialsprint.net ([63.186.49.244] helo=BrailleNote) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADFsC-0002Mt-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:17:57 -0700 To: contrib mailing From: paul MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:17:57 -0700 Subject: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:17:59 -0000 I installed the 5.0 version of the Braille Note. Then when I press the 1-2-3 dots down and press the reset button, I hear Keysoft CE version 4.01 build: 1988. I don't understand. Shouldn't it be Keysoft version 5.0 on both sides of the unit? From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 17:28:13 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.115]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADG29-0000Ox-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:28:13 +1300 Received: (qmail 6910 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 04:28:11 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-08.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.8) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 04:28:11 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-08.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 04:28:11 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:28:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c39ab0$63d3c390$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005a01c39a57$481f50f0$3d7c94d1@teri> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:28:14 -0000 I pay for my own equipment also and may be eligible for VR, but I don't know, after they turned me down to get a typewriter attachment for the Optacon in 1977 when our budget had about 90 cents left in it for luxuries such as soap and shampoo, I have not asked them for anything, instead I have used my work credit union, my bank or other means to acquire any computer equipment, software braille note and a second Optacon when I could not be three to four weeks without one due to my job. These days, I'd probably be considered to make too much money to qualify for anything, but in 1977 that certainly was not the case. Their refusal to get me something that would have enhanced my job capability was enough for me to decide that unless I became helpless and desperate Rehab is no longer a part of my life. Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Terri Pannett Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:50 AM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Dear Andy, I have bought adaptive equipment and paid for it myself because I'm not elligible for help from VR. I took it all off as a medical expense from my income tax. I have an Enrolled Agent who does my taxes and she's a crackerjack tax person. So I don't see anything wrong with taking the BN or any other adaptive piece of equipment off as a medical expense. I'll accept whatever deductions I'm entitled to. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 17:30:01 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.112]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADG3s-0000m4-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:30:00 +1300 Received: (qmail 44276 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 04:29:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (63.231.195.1) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 04:29:58 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 04:29:58 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:29:54 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c39ab0$a3be5fb0$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00e601c39a58$6933ae20$c741b83f@abc> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:30:01 -0000 Well, even though I live in Arizona too, the two times I had battery problems with a low battery at work, and did not have my adapter with me, it was cloudy, something we don't see a lot of, but it does happen. Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Tina Birenbaum Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Solar would be interesting especiially if you live in a place like arizona where we alesys have sun. mayb this would be a good option for a battery pack or something to use on the go if the bn starts needing a charge and the charger isn't with you. tina and santa the cute 80 pound marshmallow MSN santamarshmallow@hhotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Ruby" To: "'Braillenote List'" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Yes, for the price the bn should of had a battery pack one could change. A bit more thinking could of gone in to the design. A while back pdi asked everyone to write in their suggestions on what they would like to see in the bn and there was a lot of good ideas. My only hope is that some of those ideas and more will come to play soon in the bn with out to much of a cost involved for the upgrades. It is hard to afford things in a limited nitch market unless you are tide to an organization or other means of grat/financual help. I think one of them solar chargers would be great unless you were on the subway underground or enjoying a cloudy day. Get your own Voice Conferencing Room http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=397&a=p&r=0 Jim Ruby On-Line Access Technology Trainer jim@blindsea.com Blind Sea http://www.blindsea.com (651) 385-0702 -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Terri Pannett Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:25 PM To: Braillenote List Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Dear Lisa, The idea of a portable charger sounds nice. I suppose it would be battery-operated, too? ne thing most people would like is a battery pack people could change themselves. The Keynote Companions had one. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From pann1@sonic.net Sat Oct 25 17:34:36 2003 Received: from eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net ([64.142.19.4]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADG8J-0000s8-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:34:36 +1300 Received: from teri (209-148-124-95.arc15.nas3.200p.dial.sonic.net [209.148.124.95]) by eth0.b.smtp.sonic.net (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9P4YVue022542 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:34:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c39ab1$4849f080$5f7c94d1@teri> From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" References: <200310242111.h9OLBe2s023346@web2.libcom.com> Subject: embossing with the BN was Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:34:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:34:36 -0000 Dear Bob, Can you explain what you mean by "I wish the BN embossed better?" What would you like the BN to do which it currently doesn't do? My BN works fine with my embosser. Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, California From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 17:45:28 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.114]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADGIp-0001LW-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:45:28 +1300 Received: (qmail 94282 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 04:31:23 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.3) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 04:31:23 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-03.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 04:45:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c39ab2$cc68c3e0$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:45:28 -0000 My BN 32-cell BT keyboard arrived yesterday. I had to do a plain reset to get it to turn on at all, and then set the system clock, but then today I tried to use the dictionary and no go. I know this was visited before, but at the time I had a BN 18-cell with the old mother board, so, I may or may not have saved the messages. Could someone send them along either to the list or to me privately? I am annoyed that this is a known bug and yet HumanWare sent it out this way to me despite all the QA the unit supposedly had before leaving the facility. I am off to see if I did save the instructions and hopefully once I fix this it will stay fixed, if not, then Pulsedata needs to find out why it is happening and find a way to prevent it from happening again. Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 17:58:18 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.112]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADGVF-0001pT-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:58:18 +1300 Received: (qmail 45276 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 04:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (63.231.195.1) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 04:58:11 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-01.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 04:58:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:58:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000801c39ab4$92e50820$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: rosecombs@qwest.net, "'Braillenote List'" Subject: RE: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000701c39ab2$cc68c3e0$20890d82@rosecombs> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:58:18 -0000 I found the instructions and all is working, thanks to a saved message. I still would like to know since this issue has been around for a while why it was not addressed at the distribution point! I hope I don't sound unreasonable, it was fairly easy to fix the problem, it is just that I don't think since I did not download the software from anywhere that I should have been the one to do this. Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:45 PM To: 'Braillenote List' Subject: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! My BN 32-cell BT keyboard arrived yesterday. I had to do a plain reset to get it to turn on at all, and then set the system clock, but then today I tried to use the dictionary and no go. I know this was visited before, but at the time I had a BN 18-cell with the old mother board, so, I may or may not have saved the messages. Could someone send them along either to the list or to me privately? I am annoyed that this is a known bug and yet HumanWare sent it out this way to me despite all the QA the unit supposedly had before leaving the facility. I am off to see if I did save the instructions and hopefully once I fix this it will stay fixed, if not, then Pulsedata needs to find out why it is happening and find a way to prevent it from happening again. Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From kernsac@earthlink.net Sat Oct 25 18:25:02 2003 Received: from turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.126]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADGv7-000360-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:25:01 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-014castocp0152.dialsprint.net ([63.187.136.152] helo=peggy.earthlink.net) by turkey.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADGv5-0001VE-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:24:59 -0700 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20031024222107.02649d50@mail.earthlink.net> X-Sender: kernsac@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:24:50 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: Peggy Kern Subject: Re: [Braillenote] BN and cell phones and the planner. In-Reply-To: <000a01c39a83$1744bd40$dbd8fea9@ricardo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 05:25:02 -0000 I haven't tried connecting the BN with a cell phone yet, but intend to go in that direction in the next month or two, once my daughter is 18 and we can get her off our cell plan and upgrade our service and phones. As I understand it, it's faster if you get a cell phone with an infrared port and use the BrailleNote's infrared port to connect. You can use cable I believe, but it's slower. The planner can remind you of appointments if you set the alarm, which will go off even when the unit is turned off. I don't use the alarm, because I've heard to many people say they've had problems canceling alarms and have been embarrassed by their continuing to go off. But I'm in the habit of checking my planner several times a day, deleting appointments once they've passed, and deleting items on my to do list once I've completed them. Peggy At 06:03 PM 10/24/2003 -0500, you wrote: >How does the BN connect to a cell phone? Does it need an infrared port or >is there some sort of cable? >The planner reminds you when you have appointments, right? >Thanks. >Sara >Windows Messenger (Add me to your contacts list.): >blackcat@blackcatbbs.com >(If you are wondering, my BBS is not public yet. I am not sure if it will >ever be.) >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote mailto:kernsac@earthlink.net http://www.home.earthlink.net/~kernsac MSN Messenger kernsac@earthlink.net From john@chessplayer.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 25 21:43:18 2003 Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.85]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADK10-00034Q-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:43:18 +1300 Received: from chessplayer.demon.co.uk ([80.177.28.241] helo=oemcomputer.chessplayer.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ADK0w-000P7H-0Z for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:43:14 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031025093923.028d4090@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-Sender: chessplayer/pop3.demon.co.uk@pop3.norton.antivirus (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:40:51 +0100 To: new list From: John Gallagher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Braillenote] thanks richard X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:43:19 -0000 Hi Richard thanks very much I will let you know how I go but in the morning I should be able to acquire a leed to try it. I am suprised you do not use your gps yet maybe you are waiting for version 2.0. it's very good when going about tuning. all the best. From rosecombs@qwest.net Sat Oct 25 21:59:10 2003 Received: from mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net ([63.231.195.113]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADKGL-0003an-00 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:09 +1300 Received: (qmail 76716 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 08:15:16 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.10) by mpls-qmqp-02.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Oct 2003 08:15:16 -0000 Received: from vdsl-130-13-137-32.phnx.uswest.net (HELO rosecombs) (130.13.137.32) by mpls-pop-10.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 08:59:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:59:03 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c39ad6$3d536420$20890d82@rosecombs> From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031025093923.028d4090@pop3.norton.antivirus> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Braillenote] Why is the word bounces in the e-mail address? X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:59:11 -0000 I have been trying to add this list address to my contacts list but am curious why all messages seem to have the word "bounces" in them, and is that important? Rose Combs rosecombs@qwest.net -----Original Message----- From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of John Gallagher Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:41 AM To: new list Subject: [Braillenote] thanks richard Hi Richard thanks very much I will let you know how I go but in the morning I should be able to acquire a leed to try it. I am suprised you do not use your gps yet maybe you are waiting for version 2.0. it's very good when going about tuning. all the best. ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From steve@comproom.co.uk Sun Oct 26 00:15:47 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADMOY-00010n-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:15:46 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 12-md50000000003.tmp for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:14:55 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031025121312.02dcac00@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:14:52 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Upgrade my BrailleNote or do something else? In-Reply-To: <001101c39a5b$c64e5670$8d7d94d1@teri> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031023074947.04394950@mail.comproom.co.uk> <012401c399de$80426450$837e94d1@teri> <6.0.0.22.2.20031024080122.02cd6e20@mail.comproom.co.uk> <001101c39a5b$c64e5670$8d7d94d1@teri> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-331145B6; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:14:55 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:15:47 -0000 Terri, I am not going to expand this any further, except that you are misunderstanding the concept of the docking station. If you clip the communicator on to the Braillino's docking station, it is definitely one unit, and smaller than the BN, at that. The communicator will not fall off the unit, once it is securely, and very easily clipped on. All the best At 19:22 24/10/2003, Terri Pannett spake these words of wisdom >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >In this case, I don't need to look at either the Communicator or the >Braillino to know that I wouldn't want to buy it. My point was, the >Braillino is not a true notetaker and as a stand-alone machine it cannot do >as many things as the BrailleNote. The Communicator has notetaking >features, but I believe people would prefer the BN because all of the >noteIDL r functions and the braille display are in the same unit. That >means just one thing to carry around, not two. That's another reason why I >believe the Communicator/Braillino combo will never be as popular as the BN. > >Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, >California > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 Telephone mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@comproom.co.uk Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -- For a company brochure, send an empty message to Info@comproom.co.uk To subscribe, and get regular updates, please send a message to listserv@comproom.co.uk. Just put the word "subscribe updates" without the quotes in the body of the message. To join the tutorials list, where we discuss Brian Hartgen's tutorials, please do exactly as above, but in the body of the message, put the words "subscribe tutorials", again, without the quotes. From steve@comproom.co.uk Sun Oct 26 00:16:51 2003 Received: from cpc3-stev1-3-0-cust220.lutn.cable.ntl.com ([62.255.183.220] helo=comproom.co.uk) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADMPa-000148-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:16:51 +1300 Received: from Celeron.comproom.co.uk ([192.168.1.1]) (authenticated user Steve@comproom.co.uk) by comproom.co.uk (comproom.co.uk [62.255.183.220]) (MDaemon.Standard.v6.8.5.R) with ESMTP id 14-md50000000003.tmp for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:16:46 +0100 Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031025121540.043501f0@mail.comproom.co.uk> X-Sender: Steve@mail.comproom.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:16:43 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Steve Nutt Subject: Re: [Braillenote] can someone help In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024195003.02839750@pop3.norton.antivirus> References: <6.0.0.22.2.20031024195003.02839750@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-331145B6; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Authenticated-Sender: Steve@comproom.co.uk X-Spam-Processed: comproom.co.uk, Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:16:46 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 192.168.1.1 X-Return-Path: steve@comproom.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:16:51 -0000 Hi John, I may be wrong on this, but I thought the lead was built into the GPS receiver, so how are you going to replace the lead? It looks to me to be a sealed unit. I would send it back to PDI if I were you, especially if it is under warranty. All the best At 19:53 24/10/2003, John Gallagher spake these words of wisdom > >Hi all, >on Wednesday I was using my gps as I was tuning in Mansfield in the uk. >the next time I used the gps on Thursday I could not get the braille note to recognise the receiver. >I tried all the resets and re-installed the software. I also put in new batteries as well. >Before I post my gps magellan back to pdi I am going to a computer fair in Rothwell where I live on Sunday and I hope to purchase the lead that goes in to the gps receiver. I wonder if anyon of you know's the name of the lead. I think there must be a fault with my leed as someone on the train looked at the screen on the gps receiver and could see things on it. Also when you press the bottom left button you can hear the buzzing so the light comes on. >thanks in advance. > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > -- Computer Room Services: the long cane for blind computer users. Telephone Voice: +44(0)1438 742286, Fax/BBS: +44(0)1438 759589 Telephone mobile: +44(0)7956 334938, Email: Steve@comproom.co.uk Web site: http://www.comproom.co.uk -- For a company brochure, send an empty message to Info@comproom.co.uk To subscribe, and get regular updates, please send a message to listserv@comproom.co.uk. Just put the word "subscribe updates" without the quotes in the body of the message. To join the tutorials list, where we discuss Brian Hartgen's tutorials, please do exactly as above, but in the body of the message, put the words "subscribe tutorials", again, without the quotes. From allison@usadatanet.net Sun Oct 26 00:48:09 2003 Received: from smtp6.usadatanet.net ([66.218.0.30]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADMts-0002La-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:48:09 +1300 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6.usadatanet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE76FBD3BD for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.usadatanet.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp6.usadatanet.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with SMTP id 59926-01 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.usadatanet.net (mail.usadatanet.net [66.218.0.15]) by smtp6.usadatanet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881ABBD3BA for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.usadatanet.net (unverified [66.218.5.167]) by mail.usadatanet.net (Vircom SMTPRS 5.3.232) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:45:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20031025074613.00a99520@mail.usadatanet.net> X-Sender: allison@mail.usadatanet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:47:48 -0400 To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com From: Allison Carter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at usadatanet.net Subject: [Braillenote] renaming a file X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:48:09 -0000 Hi listers, I thought the other day I saw a post from someone who said there's a command to rename a file from the file, rather than having to go into file manager, but I can't find it in the command summary. Does such a command exist? Allison From dstanden@pacific.net.au Sun Oct 26 00:59:15 2003 Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au ([61.8.0.36]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADN4d-0002nx-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:59:15 +1300 Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9PBxESV013777 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:14 +1000 Received: from VoiceNote (ppp215.dyn1.pacific.net.au [61.8.1.215]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9PBwgC8002970 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:04 +1000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:04 +1000 Message-Id: <200310251159.h9PBwgC8002970@mongrel.pacific.net.au> To: Braillenote List From: David Standen Subject: re: [Braillenote] Media Player bug? MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:59:15 -0000 HI Crystal, This is definitely a bug, as sometimes I have been experiencing the same problems. The only way to get around this is to perform a regular reset. Cheers, David > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Crystal French" To: "Braille Note" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:26:45 -0500 >Subject: [Braillenote] Media Player bug? >Hi, >After I first installed Keysoft version 5, I could not get my Voice Note to >recognize the Media Player. After two, or three resets, everything went >right, and I assumed it was just a hiccup from the installation. >However, this quirk seems to persist, from time to time. >If I press "M" for Media Player, I get the error tone. If I down arrow >through the Main Menu to Media Player, and press "Enter," I get the error >tone. If I press function+S and cycle through to the Media Player, it kicks >me back to the Main Menu. >All other programs are accessible, and it takes a reset to get the Media >Player to open. >Is this a bug, or my own VN problem? >Crystal >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From dstanden@pacific.net.au Sun Oct 26 00:59:22 2003 Received: from snoopy.pacific.net.au ([61.8.0.36]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADN4k-0002oX-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:59:22 +1300 Received: from mongrel.pacific.net.au (mongrel.pacific.net.au [61.8.0.107]) by snoopy.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9PBxLSV013812 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:21 +1000 Received: from VoiceNote (ppp215.dyn1.pacific.net.au [61.8.1.215]) by mongrel.pacific.net.au (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9PBwgCC002970 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:11 +1000 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:59:11 +1000 Message-Id: <200310251159.h9PBwgCC002970@mongrel.pacific.net.au> To: Braillenote List From: David Standen Subject: re: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:59:22 -0000 Hi Paul, The reason your BN reverts back to Keysoft version 4.01 when pressing Reset with dots 1-2-3 is because 4.01 is the version which has been burnt into ROM on your particular unit. I hope this helps. Cheers, David> ----- Original Message ----- >From: paul To: contrib mailing Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:17:57 -0700 >Subject: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote >I installed the 5.0 version of the Braille Note. Then when I press the 1-2-3 dots down and press the reset button, I hear Keysoft CE version 4.01 build: 1988. I don't understand. Shouldn't it be Keysoft version 5.0 on both sides of the unit? >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From meearls@one.net Sun Oct 26 02:21:28 2003 Received: from smtp.nuvox.net ([64.89.70.9] helo=smtp01.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADOMA-00069X-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:21:27 +1300 Received: from ibmzzgjcio75de (ztown3-1-42.adsl.one.net [216.23.34.42]) by smtp01.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9PDLHcj025059 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:21:18 -0400 Message-ID: <00d401c39afa$dcfee660$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> From: "Mary Ellen Earls" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:21:12 -0400 Organization: none MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] Help I need to unprotect an eml file: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mary Ellen Earls , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:21:28 -0000 Help! I need to unprotect an eml file so I can get rid of it. What do I do. I am currently sitting in the file manager and I hit P = and it wants to protect but if I hit U it won't let me. One more reason = for you designers to stop adding all these bells and whistles and start = rebuilding a file manager which is unusable simply because it is plain = archaic and ridiculous. Also I need help in installing the verson of = keysoft 5. It is on the Bn but I can't locate the file once I go into = the downloads folder because, again, of an utterly stupid file and = folder structure. Ok I'm going to be good otherwise I'll start cussing and I don't want to = do that and Jonathan might kick me off the list. Bye guys! Mary Ellen Earls From mdenning@cinci.rr.com Sun Oct 26 02:21:40 2003 Received: from ms-smtp-02-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com ([65.24.5.136] helo=ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADOMN-0006A8-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:21:39 +1300 Received: from Marianne (cvg-27-170-64.cinci.rr.com [24.27.170.64]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id h9PDLaqt000352 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005501c39afa$e9515970$6c01a8c0@Marianne> From: "marianne denning" To: "Braillenote List" References: <007901c397bb$d35b4b40$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> <003301c397d9$dad47540$8f900c9c@D8BTMH11> <002001c397df$50b61fc0$800101df@Palooza.Local> <002d01c397fb$18966200$ae53fea9@default> <01d801c397ff$a80af190$724b8751@oemb97d30ddbzd> <015001c39991$d1900490$9e7c94d1@teri> <003101c39997$0c520880$db1ab40a@v22.med.va.gov> <000f01c399bb$da582650$800101df@nu7i> <3.0.3.32.20031023212329.007d3d50@pop3.concentric.net> <005a01c39a57$481f50f0$3d7c94d1@teri> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:21:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:21:40 -0000 I agree with this. I participate in a flexible spending account and I use the money to purchase upgrades for the equipment. I am at least not paying taxes or social security on that money. Marianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri Pannett" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] The cost of Braillenotes > Dear Andy, > > I have bought adaptive equipment and paid for it myself because I'm not > elligible for help from VR. I took it all off as a medical expense from my > income tax. I have an Enrolled Agent who does my taxes and she's a > crackerjack tax person. So I don't see anything wrong with taking the BN or > any other adaptive piece of equipment off as a medical expense. I'll accept > whatever deductions I'm entitled to. > > Terri, Amateur radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX, > California > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From chrisg@acsu.buffalo.edu Sun Oct 26 02:30:22 2003 Received: from out004pub.verizon.net ([206.46.170.142] helo=out004.verizon.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADOUn-0006wh-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:30:21 +1300 Received: from CPQ11469255738 ([141.149.145.120]) by out004.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20031025133018.IPBF25700.out004.verizon.net@CPQ11469255738>; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:30:18 -0500 Message-ID: <200310250930180736.000FCF25@outgoing.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <00d401c39afa$dcfee660$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> References: <00d401c39afa$dcfee660$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.01.1088 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:30:18 -0400 From: "Chris G" To: "Mary Ellen Earls" , braillenote@list.pulsedata.com Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Help I need to unprotect an eml file: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out004.verizon.net from [141.149.145.120] at Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:30:18 -0500 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:30:22 -0000 you go to the file manager, hit p, find the file, hit enter on it,= braillenote says, hit p to protect and u to unprotect. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 10/25/2003 at 9:21 AM Mary Ellen Earls wrote: >Help! I need to unprotect an eml file so I can get rid of it. >What do I do. I am currently sitting in the file manager and I hit P and >it wants to protect but if I hit U it won't let me. One more reason for >you designers to stop adding all these bells and whistles and start >rebuilding a file manager which is unusable simply because it is plain >archaic and ridiculous. Also I need help in installing the verson of >keysoft 5. It is on the Bn but I can't locate the file once I go into the >downloads folder because, again, of an utterly stupid file and folder >structure. >Ok I'm going to be good otherwise I'll start cussing and I don't want to >do that and Jonathan might kick me off the list. >Bye guys! >Mary Ellen Earls >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From doodgeman@littleblind.dyndns.org Sun Oct 26 02:38:58 2003 Received: from adsl-64-172-36-52.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net ([64.172.36.52] helo=virc.dyndns.org) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADOd7-0007NX-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:38:58 +1300 Received: from Spooler by virc.dyndns.org (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MO000221; 25 Oct 03 06:36:45 -0700 Received: from spooler by virc.dyndns.org (Mercury/32 v3.32); 25 Oct 03 06:36:29 -0700 Received: from littleblind (64.172.36.52) by virc.dyndns.org (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MG000220; 25 Oct 03 06:36:20 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c39afc$f9a0b1c0$3424ac40@dyndns.org> From: "Derek Czajka" To: "Braillenote List" References: <4.3.2.7.0.20031025074613.00a99520@mail.usadatanet.net> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] renaming a file Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 06:36:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:38:58 -0000 Hi, You can't rename it from a file itself, but you can rename it from any file list. Just go to the file, and press enter with r. But I don't usually do this, because sometimes it can cause problems. Derek Czajka From westbrookc16@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 03:30:06 2003 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.50]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADPQb-00012N-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:30:06 +1300 Received: from user-2ive4gd.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.18.13] helo=brailleuser) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADPQW-0004nj-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:30:01 -0700 Message-ID: <005301c39b04$7d91fdc0$0d12f7a5@brailleuser> From: "Chris Westbrook" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:26:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:30:07 -0000 Reinstall five and just do a normal reset. Chris Westbrook msn messenger or email: westbrookc16@earthlink.net AOL instant messenger screen name: westbrookc19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: "contrib mailing" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:17 AM Subject: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote > I installed the 5.0 version of the Braille Note. Then when I press the 1-2-3 dots down and press the reset button, I hear Keysoft CE version 4.01 build: 1988. I don't understand. Shouldn't it be Keysoft version 5.0 on both sides of the unit? > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From taz8184@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 03:45:08 2003 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADPfA-0001Xd-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:45:08 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-019neomahp0441.dialsprint.net ([63.191.97.187] helo=BrailleNote) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADPf7-000404-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:45:06 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: paul Subject: re: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:45:06 -0700 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:45:09 -0000 How do I burn version 5.0 into rom? From taz8184@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 03:51:00 2003 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADPkp-0001ds-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:51:00 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-019neomahp0441.dialsprint.net ([63.191.97.187] helo=BrailleNote) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADPkn-0005R2-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:50:58 -0700 To: contrib mailing From: paul MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:50:58 -0700 Subject: [Braillenote] overwriting and the media player X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:51:00 -0000 In the next upgrade is there going to be an option in the Braille Note to make play lists in the media player? Here is another suggestion. I would like to see if there is a way that Pulsedata could put in an overwrite mode as well as an append mode. From westbrookc16@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 03:54:54 2003 Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.50]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADPob-00022B-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:54:53 +1300 Received: from user-2ive4gd.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.18.13] helo=brailleuser) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADPoZ-0001Os-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 07:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c39b07$f5fc39d0$0d12f7a5@brailleuser> From: "Chris Westbrook" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:54:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:54:54 -0000 You can't do that yet. You would have to send it in to pdi. But you really don't need to burn it into rom. The only time the bn will revert back to 4.01 is if you hold down dots 123 while resetting. Chris Westbrook msn messenger or email: westbrookc16@earthlink.net AOL instant messenger screen name: westbrookc19 ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: re: [Braillenote] updating the braillenote > How do I burn version 5.0 into rom? > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > From charityrose12@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 05:00:53 2003 Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.49]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADQqT-0004wu-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:00:53 +1300 Received: from user-0cdvsl0.cable.mindspring.com ([24.223.242.160] helo=sassafras) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADQqR-0007Nk-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:00:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c39b11$2972e210$6501a8c0@sassafras> From: "Charity Rose" To: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:56:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] MP3 Materials X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:00:54 -0000 Can someone tell me where to find mp3 materials? Now that I have the = player on lmy BN, it would be nice to use it. Thanks. Charity From steve@thacker.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 26 05:05:20 2003 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADQul-000537-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:05:20 +1300 Received: from thacker.demon.co.uk ([194.222.100.196] helo=BrailleNote) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1ADQui-0008nQ-0X; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:05:17 +0100 To: rosecombs@qwest.net,Braillenote List From: stephen thacker Subject: RE: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:05:17 +0100 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:05:21 -0000 Hi, I still get the problem every time ui reset, even though all the files etc are on my machine and I have followed the instructions, so clearly this is something PDI have to fix for the next version! Cheers, Steve > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rose Combs" To: rosecombs@qwest.net, "'Braillenote List'" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:58:04 -0700 >Subject: RE: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! >I found the instructions and all is working, thanks to a saved message. >I still would like to know since this issue has been around for a while >why it was not addressed at the distribution point! >I hope I don't sound unreasonable, it was fairly easy to fix the >problem, it is just that I don't think since I did not download the >software from anywhere that I should have been the one to do this. >Rose Combs >rosecombs@qwest.net >-----Original Message----- >From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com >[mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:45 PM >To: 'Braillenote List' >Subject: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! >My BN 32-cell BT keyboard arrived yesterday. I had to do a plain reset >to get it to turn on at all, and then set the system clock, but then >today I tried to use the dictionary and no go. I know this was visited >before, but at the time I had a BN 18-cell with the old mother board, >so, I may or may not have saved the messages. >Could someone send them along either to the list or to me privately? >I am annoyed that this is a known bug and yet HumanWare sent it out this >way to me despite all the QA the unit supposedly had before leaving the >facility. >I am off to see if I did save the instructions and hopefully once I fix >this it will stay fixed, if not, then Pulsedata needs to find out why it >is happening and find a way to prevent it from happening again. >Rose Combs >rosecombs@qwest.net >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From meearls@one.net Sun Oct 26 05:30:07 2003 Received: from smtp.nuvox.net ([64.89.70.9] helo=smtp02.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADRIj-0006BL-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:30:06 +1300 Received: from ibmzzgjcio75de (ztown3-1-42.adsl.one.net [216.23.34.42]) by smtp02.gvl-priv.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h9PGTxgc025696 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:30:00 -0400 Message-ID: <00f901c39b15$394bbff0$2a2217d8@ibmzzgjcio75de> From: "Mary Ellen Earls" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:29:54 -0400 Organization: none MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] The file is now gone and one onther thing: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mary Ellen Earls , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:30:07 -0000 Well everyone the file is totally gone now. I have been hearing here in the U. S. something happened with the sun = last week which is doing all sorts of things to the earth. Why I am = bringing this up is that apparently it is having an effect on the gps = systems. So whomever was having the problem with his gps not function = properly, don't send it back just yet, try again. Ok time for lirk mode! Mary Ellen Earls From gunn@tznet.com Sun Oct 26 05:47:22 2003 Received: from mail.tznet.com ([66.170.64.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADRZS-0006lf-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:47:22 +1300 Received: from gunnwin (rapids-arc1-244.tznet.com [66.170.71.244]) by mail.tznet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h9PGkleQ022119 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:46:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001c01c39b17$91110270$f447aa42@gunnwin> From: "John Gunn" To: "Pulse Data" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:46:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 T-Net: Virus Check - Found to be clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.3 Subject: [Braillenote] Possible modem problems X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:47:23 -0000 Hello: Last night I was able to use the Voice Note QT on the web with no = problems. This morning when trying to go online, it says no carrier = detected. I haven't done anything different from last night not that I = know of and yes, the phone line is plugged in. smile Under kemail, settings and directory services I have tried either yes = wait for dial tone or no and what's different if I say no, tI don't hear = a dial tone which I would expect but around 30 secendos later I can hear = the modem dialing and again that's when I choose yes wait for dial tone. I hope some can help out because last night it worked wonderful. John Gunn From bluesbob@libcom.com Sun Oct 26 05:56:03 2003 Received: from [205.138.18.95] (helo=web1.libcom.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADRhq-0007CV-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 05:56:02 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (pitts-69-72-14-49.libcom-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.14.49]) by web1.libcom.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9PGtexh030750 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:56 -0400 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:55:56 -0400 Message-Id: <200310251655.h9PGtexh030750@web1.libcom.com> To: Braillenote List From: bob mates Subject: re: embossing with the BN was Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notesand hearing loss MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:56:03 -0000 Hi, Terri, Well, some of it is my fault. I forgot to set some of the parameters. I guess I'm not used to having to go to two or three places, before embossing a document. The thing is, though, that I wish you could just set the BN one time, and it would stay on those settings for all documents, unless you wanted to change it. That was the one good thing the BLT did. Once you set it, it was set. I'm working on understanding embossing better, and I'm going to try it again in a few minutes. We'll see what happens. Bob and Maxy-wax From vandriel@emsanet.com Sun Oct 26 07:02:40 2003 Received: from [198.76.169.200] (helo=mail.emsanet.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADSkK-00026J-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:02:40 +1300 Received: (qmail 22250 invoked from network); 25 Oct 2003 18:02:01 -0000 Received: from 0-1pool75-11.nas4.salt-lake-city1.ut.us.da.qwest.net (HELO BrailleNote) (67.2.75.11) by 192.168.10.200 with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 18:02:01 -0000 To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List From: richard Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:02:40 +1300 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:02:41 -0000 Hi listers and all on the list with hearing inmpairments. I have a neck loop, which I found I could use with the t coil on my hearing aid with some devices, for example, the library talking book machines. I could do this without using anything else, in other words, like an earphone. But when I tried it on the bn, I got no sound whatsoever. I wonder if this is something pdi or one of it's reps would like to talk about a little on the list, since we do have some hearing impaired people here. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:03 -0500 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss >I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech >if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use >speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and >because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the >volume level. >For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive >listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI >(direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that I >could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. >I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the >volume to a level that I can hear. >Lisa >"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes >life worthwhile." >-- Joshua J. Marine >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 07:49:31 2003 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADTTe-0003pM-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:49:30 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADTTc-0007UT-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:49:28 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:49:43 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:49:31 -0000 Hi Richard, I wonder if the neckloop has the plug with the correct connections for the neckloop. Also, did you try turning the volume up all the way? The braillenote accepts a stereo earphone plug into the earphone jack and I'm not sure if a mono plug would work correctly or not. If you have a mono to stereo adaptor around somewhere, you might try that and see if it gets you output. Also, it could be that the amplifier in the bn isn't strong enough to provide a good signal to the loop whereas the talkingbook machine may have a more powerful amplifier. These are just suggestions and really not much more than that. I've tried neckloops before, but most of the time they didn't work all that well as I could never seem to get enough volume from them to hear it through the t-coil very well. I'd think you would hear at least something though, which is why I ask about the plug itself. Hopefully someone will have some better suggestions. A final thought, you might take the bn and neckloop down to your local radio shack and see if they can find an adaptor which might help. Again, just a thought of something to try, and not much more. Don On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:02:40 +1300, richard wrote: Hi listers and all on the list with hearing inmpairments. I have a neck loop, which I found I could use with the t coil on my hearing aid with some devices, for example, the library talking book machines. I could do this without using anything else, in other words, like an earphone. But when I tried it on the bn, I got no sound whatsoever. I wonder if this is something pdi or one of it's reps would like to talk about a little on the list, since we do have some hearing impaired people here. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:03 -0500 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss >I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech >if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use >speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and >because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the >volume level. >For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive >listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI >(direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that I >could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. >I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the >volume to a level that I can hear. >Lisa >"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes >life worthwhile." >-- Joshua J. Marine >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From lisak70@ticon.net Sun Oct 26 08:21:53 2003 Received: from mx04.ticon.net ([66.181.128.22]) by tangent.onesquared.net with smtp id 1ADTyy-00058f-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:21:52 +1300 Received: (qmail 19824 invoked by uid 0); 25 Oct 2003 19:21:50 -0000 Received: from lisak70@ticon.net by mx04.ticon.net by uid 201 with qmail-scanner-1.14 (fsecure: 4.14/4062/2002-10-10/2002-10-10. 2002-10-10/ Clear:. Processed in 1.450997 secs); 25 Oct 2003 19:21:50 -0000 Received: from d013.max6-2.mke2.ticon.net (HELO 4puz9) (66.181.139.13) by mx04.ticon.net with SMTP; 25 Oct 2003 19:21:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c39b2e$5b57fdc0$25f4fea9@4puz9> From: "Lisa Kozlik" To: "richard" Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:29:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Cc: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Lisa Kozlik , Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:21:53 -0000 Richard, I may be wrong about this (since I don't use neckloops), but I wonder if you need to connect an adaptor to the end of the neckloop? Perhaps Don or another list member can comment on this? Lisa "Success will not lower its standard to us. We must raise our standard to success." -- Rev. Randall R. McBride, Jr. From taz8184@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 08:48:12 2003 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.74]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADUOS-0006N6-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:48:12 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-017neomahp0241.dialsprint.net ([63.190.104.241] helo=BrailleNote) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADUON-0005Ey-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:48:08 -0700 To: contrib mailing From: paul MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:48:08 -0700 Subject: [Braillenote] braille Note and Windzip X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:48:13 -0000 Can you use Windzip on the Braille Note? From wolkl@postmark.net Sun Oct 26 08:48:47 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADUP0-0006QE-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:48:46 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvtnt-4-112.dialup.enter.net [216.193.152.122]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B22CC508 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:54:24 -0400 (EDT) To: Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"wolkl@postmark.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: re: [Braillenote] File maintenence MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031025195424.50B22CC508@smtp.enter.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:54:24 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:48:47 -0000 Hi John, There sure is! But it's very very tedious, and I would just use the internet way if at all possible. Also note that it's not necessary to clear your browser history (which may come of use), as often as it is to clear temp files. OK, from the main menu, hit f for file manager. Hit d for directory. Select the keysoft system disk. When prompted for a foldername, switch to directory mode by pressing space with t (control with t) Type in /windows/profiles/temporary internet files. Do NOT press enter, but space (down arrow), so you will hear "subdirectories of (pathname)" There are 4 or 5 I believe. Each of these has temp files. You would then press enter one of them. Press space (down arrow) so you hear (list of all documents) Press space with x (control with x), to hear ALL documents. You can then go through these one by one and delete the files. But remember, there are four other sub directories to clear out as well. To clear browser history this way, do the same thing but when you type in the path name, type /windows/profiles/history instead. HTH, Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: "John Gunn" Subject: [Braillenote] File maintenence >Hello: >Well as I mentioned a couple of days ago I did receive the Voice Note and honestly I love it more and more everyday, very impressed with it. >I was able to get the browser working to night and at first glance, pretty cool. I forgot to clear out history, and temporary internet files while online and my question, I know I can do this online but is there a folder where I can go through file manager or must it be done under Internet options? >Any help would be appreciated. >John >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From wolkl@postmark.net Sun Oct 26 08:49:19 2003 Received: from smtp.enter.net ([216.193.128.24]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADUPX-0006Tz-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:49:19 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote (lvtnt-4-112.dialup.enter.net [216.193.152.122]) by smtp.enter.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40096CC695 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT) To: Braillenote List From: Laura Wolk <"wolkl@postmark.net"@smtp.enter.net> Subject: re: [Braillenote] renaming a file MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031025195459.40096CC695@smtp.enter.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:49:19 -0000 he Allison, >From the file that you are pointed to, just press backspace with r (control with r). HTH, Laura "The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case." (George W. Bush, --Pella, Iowa, San Antonio Express News, Jan. 30, 2000) >------ original message ------ >from: Allison Carter Subject: [Braillenote] renaming a file >Hi listers, >I thought the other day I saw a post from someone who said there's a >command to rename a file from the file, rather than having to go into >file manager, but I can't find it in the command summary. Does such a >command exist? >Allison >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From sylvameg@talk21.com Sun Oct 26 09:22:39 2003 Received: from [194.73.242.4] (helo=wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADUvm-0007n3-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:22:39 +1300 Received: from BrailleNote ([62.6.130.214]) by wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com with ESMTP id <20031025202230.MFDH11833.wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com@BrailleNote> for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:22:30 +0100 To: Braillenote List From: Sylvia Grimes Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031025202230.MFDH11833.wmpmta02-app.mail-store.com@BrailleNote> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:22:31 +0100 X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:22:39 -0000 Richard, I also use a neckloop called the CRESHEEDO and it works perfectly with all of my bits and pieces. You will find though that you will need to turn it up quite a bit compared to other devices you may have. Turn it up to at least 23 on the volume. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: richard To: Lisa Kozlik ,Braillenote List Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:02:40 +1300 >Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss >Hi listers and all on the list with hearing inmpairments. >I have a neck loop, which I found I could use with the t coil on my hearing aid with some devices, for example, the library talking book machines. >I could do this without using anything else, in other words, like an earphone. >But when I tried it on the bn, I got no sound whatsoever. >I wonder if this is something pdi or one of it's reps would like to talk about a little on the list, since we do have some hearing impaired people here. >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Lisa Kozlik" >To: "Braillenote List" >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 13:33:03 -0500 >>Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss >>I have a severe to profound hearing loss and can understand the BN's speech >>if the volume is set to 30 or higher and the rate is set to 5. I don't use >>speech because the Braille display is more efficient for me to use and >>because I'm concerned about damaging the BN's speaker output because of the >>volume level. >>For those of you who are hearing impaired, have any of you used an assistive >>listening device/FM system with your BrailleNote or VoiceNote? I have a DAI >>(direcct audio input) boot cord for my hearing aids and was thinking that I >>could plug that into the headphone jack of the BN. >>I've tried using headphones but I experience distortion when setting the >>volume to a level that I can hear. >>Lisa >>"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes >>life worthwhile." >>-- Joshua J. Marine >>___ >>To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >>braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >>To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >>http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From JKA@in-tch.com Sun Oct 26 09:42:02 2003 Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com ([199.96.34.34]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADVEY-0000bO-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:42:02 +1300 Received: from jka (blgs_r1a1m90.in-tch.com [216.166.186.90]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9PKL8k26309 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:21:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20031025123430.00cf8990@Get.in-tch.com> X-Sender: jka@Get.in-tch.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:35:42 -0700 To: Braillenote List From: James Aldrich Subject: Re: [Braillenote] for sara braille notes and hearing loss In-Reply-To: <200310242111.h9OLBe2s023346@web2.libcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:42:03 -0000 Hi Bob, Please write me off list and maybe I can help you with your embossing problems. Please let me know which embosser you are using. I'm experienced with the Blazer and the Romeo, Juliet embossers. Jim Aldrich At 02:11 PM 10/24/2003 , you wrote: >Well, I'm another guy with a hearing loss. Though I mostly use the >Braille display, the speech is fine, as opposed to my old BLT2000, on >which the speech was so bad, I hardly used it, except when editing. The >only thing I wish the BN would do a bit better, is embossing >documents. Outside of that, it's wonderful! Bob and Maxy-wax > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From JKA@in-tch.com Sun Oct 26 09:42:03 2003 Received: from taisp2.in-tch.com ([199.96.34.34]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADVEZ-0000bV-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:42:03 +1300 Received: from jka (blgs_r1a1m90.in-tch.com [216.166.186.90]) by taisp2.in-tch.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h9PKLAk26328; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:21:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20031025124742.01d71c90@Get.in-tch.com> X-Sender: jka@Get.in-tch.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:48:42 -0700 To: rosecombs@qwest.net, Braillenote List From: James Aldrich Subject: RE: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! In-Reply-To: <000801c39ab4$92e50820$20890d82@rosecombs> References: <000701c39ab2$cc68c3e0$20890d82@rosecombs> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:42:04 -0000 Hi Rose, Make certain you copy your US Spelling dictionary to the dictionaries folder in the flash disk. You won't lose it again. Take care! Jim At 09:58 PM 10/24/2003 , you wrote: >I found the instructions and all is working, thanks to a saved message. > > >I still would like to know since this issue has been around for a while >why it was not addressed at the distribution point! > >I hope I don't sound unreasonable, it was fairly easy to fix the >problem, it is just that I don't think since I did not download the >software from anywhere that I should have been the one to do this. > > >Rose Combs >rosecombs@qwest.net > >-----Original Message----- >From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com >[mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:45 PM >To: 'Braillenote List' >Subject: [Braillenote] 5.0, spell check and BT keyboard revisited! > > >My BN 32-cell BT keyboard arrived yesterday. I had to do a plain reset >to get it to turn on at all, and then set the system clock, but then >today I tried to use the dictionary and no go. I know this was visited >before, but at the time I had a BN 18-cell with the old mother board, >so, I may or may not have saved the messages. > >Could someone send them along either to the list or to me privately? > >I am annoyed that this is a known bug and yet HumanWare sent it out this >way to me despite all the QA the unit supposedly had before leaving the >facility. > >I am off to see if I did save the instructions and hopefully once I fix >this it will stay fixed, if not, then Pulsedata needs to find out why it >is happening and find a way to prevent it from happening again. > > >Rose Combs >rosecombs@qwest.net > > > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > >___ >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From gunn@tznet.com Sun Oct 26 12:54:19 2003 Received: from mail.tznet.com ([66.170.64.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADYEc-0000tw-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:54:18 +1300 Received: from VoiceNote (rapids-arc2-30.tznet.com [66.170.72.30]) by mail.tznet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9PNrweR088821 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:54:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200310252354.h9PNrweR088821@mail.tznet.com> To: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com From: John Gunn MIME-Version: 1.0 (produced by IP*Works! www.dev-soft.com) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit T-Net: Virus Check - Found to be clean Subject: [Braillenote] Modem problem solved X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:54:19 -0000 Hello: Earlier today I posted about a problem with my modem. In a nut shell, we have several phones and more than one phone may be sharing a single oultlet. So I decided to go directly connecting to an outlet and no issues. So I can't explain why last night it worked sharing with other phones but all I know is the problem is solved. At first I thought it might havbe been a power issue but since I charged the battery same issue. I hope you forgive my rambling but just thought I'd clear things up. John From donbishop49@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 13:02:39 2003 Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.232]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADYMg-0001DN-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:02:38 +1300 Received: from user-vcaunq9.dsl.mindspring.com ([216.175.95.73] helo=DON) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADYMc-0005DF-00 for braillenote@list.pulsedata.com; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:02:34 -0700 From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:02:49 -0700 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <200310252354.h9PNrweR088821@mail.tznet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Modem problem solved Message-Id: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:02:39 -0000 John, Thanks for posting the solution to your problem. I have noticed in the past that too many extension phones on a line can definitely throw the line out of balance. Results can get very unpredictable, and last night you may have just gotten lucky, or maybe the ground was a bit more moist so the line had a better ground. I've had problems with answering machines working properly in similar situations, so it really is a good thing to keep in mind for those who plug their bn into a line with many phones connected to it as well. Don On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:54:01 -0500 (CDT), John Gunn wrote: Hello: Earlier today I posted about a problem with my modem. In a nut shell, we have several phones and more than one phone may be sharing a single oultlet. So I decided to go directly connecting to an outlet and no issues. So I can't explain why last night it worked sharing with other phones but all I know is the problem is solved. At first I thought it might havbe been a power issue but since I charged the battery same issue. I hope you forgive my rambling but just thought I'd clear things up. John ___ To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From paujor@fuse.net Sun Oct 26 14:08:48 2003 Received: from smtp02.fuse.net ([216.68.1.133]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADZOh-0004HL-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:08:48 +1300 Received: from 360eh ([216.196.168.212]) by smtp02.fuse.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with SMTP id <20031026010844.SDXL22612.smtp02.fuse.net@360eh> for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:08:44 -0400 From: "paula jordan" To: Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:07:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: [Braillenote] reading htm documents X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:08:49 -0000 I know this has been addressed before, but I am unable to find it in my saved Bn messages or in the manual. I pulled some e-mail files off the computer onto a compact flash card and brought them into the BN to read. The problem is that they are htm files and I get all this less than and greater than etc. garbage. I've tried re-saving them as text and Braille files using the x with space commands and also tried saving them from the file manager translate command. I still get all the garbage. I have a BT model and am saving files from my desktop computer. If this answer might clutter the list I'd be happy for someone to write me privately at paujor@fuse.net. Remember, I'm the one who needs words of one and two syllables when it comes to computers and the like. Thanks for an interesting and informative list. 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Jonathan Mosen BrailleNote Product Marketing Manager Pulse Data International Ltd DDI: +64-3-373-6192 Fax: +64-3-384 4933 Mobile: +64-21 466 736 Email: JonathanM@pulsedata.com Internet: www.pulsedata.com --------------------- You are currently subscribed to braillenote as: paujor@fuse.net To unsubscribe, Send a blank message to: leave-braillenote-4072452Q@lyris.pulsedata.co.nz From gunn@tznet.com Sun Oct 26 16:20:58 2003 Received: from mail.tznet.com ([66.170.64.2]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADbSb-0001rG-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:20:57 +1300 Received: from gunnwin (rapids-arc1-174.tznet.com [66.170.71.174]) by mail.tznet.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h9Q3KgeQ061443 for ; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:20:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000401c39b70$1f141c80$ae47aa42@gunnwin> From: "John Gunn" To: "Braillenote List" References: Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Modem problem solved Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:20:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 T-Net: Virus Check - Found to be clean X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:20:58 -0000 Hi Don: Well actually last night could have been moister ground or just a fluke. smile I remember last night when I first tried it it did take awhile to get things going and when thinking about it, it was an accident waiting to happen. smile ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Bishop" To: "Braillenote List" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Braillenote] Modem problem solved > John, > > Thanks for posting the solution to your problem. I have noticed in the past that too many extension phones on a line can definitely throw the line out of > balance. Results can get very unpredictable, and last night you may have just gotten lucky, or maybe the ground was a bit more moist so the line had a > better ground. > > I've had problems with answering machines working properly in similar situations, so it really is a good thing to keep in mind for those who plug their bn into a > line with many phones connected to it as well. > > Don > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:54:01 -0500 (CDT), John Gunn wrote: > > Hello: > > Earlier today I posted about a problem with my modem. In a nut shell, we have several phones and more than one phone may be sharing a single oultlet. > So I decided to go directly connecting to an outlet and no issues. > > So I can't explain why last night it worked sharing with other phones but all I know is the problem is solved. At first I thought it might havbe been a power > issue but since I charged the battery same issue. > > I hope you forgive my rambling but just thought I'd clear things up. > > John > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > > ___ > To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > braillenote-unsubscribe@list.pulsedata.com > To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > http://list.pulsedata.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > From tinabir@earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 17:42:09 2003 Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.62]) by tangent.onesquared.net with esmtp id 1ADcjB-0005nc-00 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:42:09 +1300 Received: from sdn-ap-009caburbp0028.dialsprint.net ([63.184.80.28] helo=abc) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1ADcj7-0002bv-00; Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:42:06 -0700 Message-ID: <010d01c39b79$82759d40$d608b83f@abc> From: "Tina Birenbaum" To: , "Braillenote List" References: <000501c39ab0$a3be5fb0$20890d82@rosecombs> Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:49:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Cc: X-BeenThere: braillenote@list.pulsedata.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.3 Precedence: list Reply-To: Braillenote List List-Id: Braillenote List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:42:10 -0000 Yeah i didn't think about that. It would just figure that would happen on a cloudy day if we did have an option like that. By the way, and this is for all arizona users especially in Phoenix, how accurate do you find the GPS data base both 1 and 2? The little I've used here in Tempe haven't found it to be all that accurate or at least, not what I thought it would be. tina and santa the cute 80 pound marshmallow MSN santamarshmallow@hhotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Combs" To: "'Braillenote List'" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: RE: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable battery > Well, even though I live in Arizona too, the two times I had battery > problems with a low battery at work, and did not have my adapter with > me, it was cloudy, something we don't see a lot of, but it does happen. > > > > Rose Combs > rosecombs@qwest.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com > [mailto:braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com] On Behalf Of Tina > Birenbaum > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 9:19 AM > To: Braillenote List > Subject: Re: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable > battery > > > Solar would be interesting especiially if you live in a place like > arizona where we alesys have sun. mayb this would be a good option for a > battery pack or something to use on the go if the bn starts needing a > charge and the charger isn't with you. > > > tina and santa the cute 80 pound marshmallow > > > MSN > > santamarshmallow@hhotmail.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Ruby" > To: "'Braillenote List'" > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: RE: [Braillenote] i would like the bn to have a portable > battery > > > Yes, for the price the bn should of had a battery pack one could change. > A bit more thinking could of gone in to the design. A while back pdi > asked everyone to write in their suggestions on what they would like to > see in the bn and there was a lot of good ideas. My only hope is that > some of those ideas and more will come to play soon in the bn with out > to much of a cost involved for the upgrades. It is hard to afford things > in a limited nitch market unless you are tide to an organization or > other means of grat/financual help. > > I think one of them solar chargers would be great unless you were on the > subway underground or enjoying a cloudy day. > > Get your own Voice Conferencing Room > http://www.ivocalize.com/p/?i=397&a=p&r=0 > Jim Ruby > On-Line Access Technology Trainer > jim@blindsea.com > Blind Sea > http://www.blindsea.com > (651) 385-0702 > > -----Original Message----- > From: braillenote-bounces@list.pulsedata.com > [mailto:braillenote-bounces@li